PMK Oil Synthesys From PMK (CAS 28578-16-7 Wax Form) Large Scale

[Bartholomeus]

Hello I will make new pics but color is more or less the same, I can do it completely transparent and crystalline but people demand this color I will never understand this but they rule.
They want "cola" they have "cola" ;-)
About ratios you can take it from my post in that thread:

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/methamphetamine-synthesis-from-p2p-by-nabh4-reduction-medium-scale.600/#post-9603

btcboss2022
Thank you again for clarification
I see people are the same everywhere, you offer them purity they want the impure junk, it's the same everywhere

 

[luckyboy888]

Hello,

After check and test the methods posted in the thread http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhn...-methyl-pmk-glycidate-conversion-to-pmk.2013/ I decided the post the best method for me:

1. Put 47,5 liters of H2O in the reactor and add 2,5kg of sodium bicarbonate, stirring until complete dissolution, take out the mixture and keep it.
2. Put in the reactor 7L of H2O
3. Add while stirring 1,2kg of sodium hydroxide
4. While the H2O and the sodium hydroxide are mixing and getting temp put 5kG of wax PMK to melt by low heat.
5. When PMK is melted add it to the reactor and put the mixture at 80C reflux during 1 hour stirring.
6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80C reflux during 1 hour stirring.
7. Stop stirring and put the mixture at 25C
8. Discard the water top layer.
9. Put again in the reactor the oil top layer.
10. Add the H2O and sodium bicarbonate mixture, stirring 2-3 minutes.
11. Add 10 liters of DCM( from freezer preferably)
12. Let it get separated around 10-15 min.
13. Evaporate DCM from the bottom layer.

Yield: 3,72kg of PMK oil

btcboss2022
how many pmk-glycidate beginning?

 

[Curiousonion]

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/methamphetamine-synthesis-from-p2p-by-nabh4-reduction-medium-scale.600/#post-9603

All details in my post of that thread.

btcboss2022Thanks man, I was really searching for that method but could only find the methylamine gas route. This one seems much easier and safer.

 

[Curiousonion]

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/methamphetamine-synthesis-from-p2p-by-nabh4-reduction-medium-scale.600/#post-9603

All details in my post of that thread.

btcboss2022That method is for methamphetamine synthesis which is sensitive to water.
Since you are making mdma base I don't think the reaction needs to be kept anhydrous so the addition of the dessicant is not necessary.
Any one has any opinions on this?

 

[btcboss2022]

how many pmk-glycidate beginning?

luckyboy888???I think you didn't read carefully the text, 5kg mate!;-)

 

[btcboss2022]

That method is for methamphetamine synthesis which is sensitive to water.
Since you are making mdma base I don't think the reaction needs to be kept anhydrous so the addition of the dessicant is not necessary.
Any one has any opinions on this?

CuriousonionHello,

Is totally necessary is not about meth or mdma is about amine production in a water free reaction. With water inside this mixture the amine won't be produced correctly but anyway always you can test it yourself ;-)
Thanks.

 

[btcboss2022]

Hello I will make new pics but color is more or less the same, I can do it completely transparent and crystalline but people demand this color I will never understand this but they rule.
They want "cola" they have "cola" ;-)
About ratios you can take it from my post in that thread:

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/methamphetamine-synthesis-from-p2p-by-nabh4-reduction-medium-scale.600/#post-9603

btcboss2022Clean one before crystalize, after crystallization is even more clean ;-)

 

[btcboss2022]

Hello,

Is totally necessary is not about meth or mdma is about amine production in a water free reaction. With water inside this mixture the amine won't be produced correctly but anyway always you can test it yourself ;-)
Thanks.

btcboss2022Sorry is imine production not amine haahah

 

[luckyboy888]

Clean one before crystalize, after crystallization is even more clean ;-)

btcboss2022
sir
Could you please make an example of the steps after getting the oil what method to apply after getting the oil to get the ''cola'' mdma

 

[Selassi]

Totally different question about this conversion... Hope u have an answer



Swim is going to do this conversion but his ptfe stirring rods for mixing havent arrived yet.

Can he for once stir with a 316 steel stirrer for once maybe for 1.5 hr? I know the hcl eats away the 316 but doesnt matter if its trash afterwards.

Does the steel which is solved by the hcl during the conversion impact or influence the conversion itself?

Or maybe colorchanges to the oil?



Swim needs to do thr conversion and cant wait untill thr ptfe stirring rods arrive...



Maybe someone has an alternative option?

 

[G.Patton]

Does the steel which is solved by the hcl during the conversion impact or influence the conversion itself?

SelassiI think it has influence, but it is negligible.

 

[Selassi]

Thats what i think too, its only 1,5hrs and the hcl is very diluted with water and there is also caustic to neutralize a part.
Its not like with 5449 that needs 5 hrs with stronger solutions

But if someone has xp with this let me know, swim starts saturday conversion

 

[Selassi]

Swim already succeeded the testconversion on phosphoric acid with 500gr of 28578

 

[Bartholomeus]

Swim already succeeded the testconversion on phosphoric acid with 500gr of 28578

Selassi
If i see correctly yield is somewhere between 350-370ml from 500g starting material?
Starting material was powder or wax oil?

 

[Selassi]

White powder starting material was this test, i also have sample from yellow waxy lumpy powder.
Swim will do a small testconversion tomorrow also on phosphoric acid...

 

[Bartholomeus]

White powder starting material was this test, i also have sample from yellow waxy lumpy powder.
Swim will do a small testconversion tomorrow also on phosphoric acid...

Selassi
Thanks very much for answers
Can you tell me what was temperature and time when converting it with phosphoric acid?
What was your ratio of reagents, if you could write down your synthesis in few steps it would be very nice contribution to community

 

[Selassi]

1kg P
1kg water
150gr NaOH

Mix and melt at 85/90 for 1hr

450gr Phos and again 1,5hr at 85/90

After should be immediate separation from the layers

 

[Sjeik]

1kg P
1kg water
150gr NaOH

Mix and melt at 85/90 for 1hr

450gr Phos and again 1,5hr at 85/90

After should be immediate separation from the layers

SelassiStirring needed doing the conversion ? Phos 85% ?

 

[Katty Korner]

1kg P
1kg water
150gr NaOH

Mix and melt at 85/90 for 1hr

450gr Phos and again 1,5hr at 85/90

After should be immediate separation from the layers

SelassiThis seems way more dense than the starting post. 1 kilo of pmk glycidate, 1 kilo of water (which iirc is one liter) and 150 grams naoh seems much denser than other posts.

It'd be much nicer if it was that dense, instead of requiring gallons for a few kilos.

Anyone care to say if this can be done at this density, or concentration of reagents?

 

[Curiousonion]

1kg P
1kg water
150gr NaOH

Mix and melt at 85/90 for 1hr

450gr Phos and again 1,5hr at 85/90

After should be immediate separation from the layers

SelassiAfter this do you neutralize it with a bicarb solution and extract with dcm or use it as such?

 

[Selassi]

Yes washing after is prefferable as the oil is going to contain less contaminants.
But ye i also know people who just yank the oil straight into the reactionvessel after conversion.

 

[Curiousonion]

Ah ok, so you just do a bicarb wash or also a dcm extraction?
I noticed after the bicarb wash it looks grainy and once you extract it with dcm and evaporate it you get a pure oil