Syntese af phenylaceton (P2P) fra benzaldehyd med butanon

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Nej, det bliver en anden rute. Acetoxy kun med pereddikesyre.
 

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No it is also acetoxy
 

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Jeg vil prøve denne syntese med dichlormethan (DCM). Jeg kan ikke se, at det er et problem, kun at det vil være tungere end vand. Er der nogen grund til ikke at bruge lettilgængelig DCM og syntetisk kloroform?
 

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Bisulfite adduct is easier and produces a higher purity
 

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Aldol-kondensation.

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Denne beskrivelse ser ud til at være mere i overensstemmelse med det, jeg ser. Er der nogen, der rent faktisk har prøvet at ekstrahere med opløsningsmiddel fra det organiske lag? Kloroform vil ikke virke, da det er blandbart med det organiske lag. Medmindre jeg overser noget, skal opskrivningen testes og ændres.

Er der nogen, der har prøvet denne syntese før?
 

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OKAY. Opvarm bare benz-hyden og MEK med saltsyre i ca. 3-5 timer. Temperatur: 90-110 C.
Bare sig tak til mig. :)
 
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Hola amigó...podría ayudarme con la cintesis..tengo ese producto..
Me gustaría q me ayudara a cintetisar mi p2p apartir de benzaldehido
 

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10 g benzaldehyd + 24 g MEK + 28 g hydroksyre (~20 %) = 28 g krystaller, tørret i pyrexskål = 13 g krystaller.
Bare hold det simpelt. Når du er færdig med at opvarme, trækker du det brune organiske lag ud. Vask med 40 ml vand. Ekstraher igen. Kom 20 ml:s 10% KOH-opløsning i. Skil dig af med vandet. Tjek pH-værdien. Hvis den er for sur eller for basisk, sættes den til 7. Hæld vandet fra igen. Læg det i fryseren, for så kan du, når det er frosset, hælde det fedtede lort væk og få næsten hvide krystaller. Læg krystallerne i et pyrexfad eller lignende, og tør dem. Det kan blive flydende, men det er ikke noget problem. Bare varme, fryse, varme, fryse, så tørrer du krystallerne, men de kan ikke blive knastørre. Jeg ved ikke hvorfor. Måske er de bare sådan.
 
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Men der er en mærkelig ting. Når jeg slet ikke måler pH-niveauet og bare lægger de hvide krystaller i min målekolbe i fryseren, får jeg dobbelt så mange rene hvide krystaller. I dag lavede jeg næsten samme mængde reagenser og på samme måde, MEN da jeg titrerede pH-niveauet til 7, fik jeg kun halvdelen af krystallerne. Jeg tror, der er noget om snakken. Nu om aftenen har jeg lige lagt de 20 ml krystaller i fryseren, og de er orange! Halvdelen ser ud til kun at blive til olie, men jeg har lige tjekket, at der er en slags reaktion mellem den orange opløsning og de hvide krystaller i det øverste lag, som er dukket op i løbet af ca. 10 minutter. Jeg er kommet til den konklusion, at når man laver aldol med syre, og man får basiske krystaller og slet ikke titrerer pH-niveauet, får man dobbelt eller tredobbelt mængde methylphenylbutenon, og når det ligger natten over i fryseren, dumper man olien i det øverste lag, og det er det. Så fra nu af anbefaler jeg ikke titrering på pH-niveau.

P.S Undskyld, jeg lavede noget Methcathinone i dag, og jeg er så træt, så jeg er ked af den uklare tekst.
Jeg går i seng nu.
 
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Me podrías ayudar con la cintesis..xfa
 

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Can 3-methyl-4-phenyl-3-buten-2-one be distilled without vacuum?
 

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Lol it turned to some bad stuff without vac... I went on to the next step the next time with some minor cleaning and no distillation....I didn't clean up till the end with steam distillation... works fine... yield still plenty good enough. I hate the way that stuff vac distilled......
 

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Yk vacuum distillation is some kind of demon creation thing
 

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Yup so it wasn't just me... thought I screwed something up but it's pretty easy at that point HA. I've now gotten through the entire thing and just doing a steam distillation at the end and it turns out perfectly every time. Although it took some tries to get there.
 

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Can i use 35% H2O2 instead of 50%?
 

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Synthesis of benzaldehyde
 

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Too much GAA use maybe 1.6lish

Hydrolysis is too long in my exp
1.25eq base and 2hrs worked best for me

you didnt get 50% peroxide and attempt this 💀 will d scale up no testing time again

Purification via methylphenylbutanones bisulfite adduct is so much superior (same with p2p) both for not having to make chloroforms sake and end purity

huge excess of mek? Intentional? also amino acids r a better cat than hcl for the aldol and id use perborate for the villiger as thats higher yielding in my exp than H2O2. Percarbonate is less good getting maybe 35% but much easier and not watched at all
 

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I'm considering purifying P2P using bisulfite, but I've read many times that the recovery is low. What is the yield after re-liberating it from the bisulfite adduct?
 
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80s and 90s just try not to have much water in solution as bisulfite adducts are annoyingly slightly soluble in them :3
 

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Oh wait! U can salt it out too cos its only a tiny bit soluble
 

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Does MPB form a bisulfite adduct? No matter how many times I tried, I wasn’t successful. I tried with water, and with a methanol-water mixture. It just doesn’t work.
 

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The suspected P2P adduct was left to dry on the filter. Right now, its texture is indistinguishable from that of a mica-based eyeshadow — it looks exactly like it. Like phenylacetic acid. Is this normal?
 

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is this route can be scaled down ?
 

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Things essentially always work scaled down its scaling up where things go wrong you should be good :3
 
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