Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)

[melk]

@melk

These sellers are scammers!​

G.Pattondone thx

 

[SD850IS]

I can not seem to locate Anhydrous Acetone...Whenever I used acetone in the past for a synthesis it was acetone from a
hardware store, the brand is called klean strip. What is the difference, and can a hardware store acetone be use in the

Amphetamine synthesis???​

 

[m03]

Just asking out curiosity...if we were unable to acquire the 2L flat bottom flask seen in the first video and substituted it with something like a milk gallon, would the heat cause it to melt and essentially contaminate the synthesis?
Also, in the same first video, do we use all 50g of the Sodium Hydroxide for the solution?

 

[G.Patton]

Just asking out curiosity...if we were unable to acquire the 2L flat bottom flask seen in the first video and substituted it with something like a milk gallon, would the heat cause it to melt and essentially contaminate the synthesis?

m03You can carry out an experiment: pour 60-70 deg hot water into this kind bottle and keep it for 10-15 min. Take into account that you can't attach reflux condenser to this bottle.

Also, in the same first video, do we use all 50g of the Sodium Hydroxide for the solution?

yes

 

[m03]

You can carry out an experiment: pour 60-70 deg hot water into this kind bottle and keep it for 10-15 min. Take into account that you can't attach reflux condenser to this bottle.

yes

G.Pattonwill the use of no reflux cause any issues within the synthesis?

 

[G.Patton]

will the use of no reflux cause any issues within the synthesis?

m03Solvent will be evaporated partially or completely.

 

[WinterDust]

No, thanks, it is at the moment too dangerous to trust offers in private messages.
They are sellers, this is dark net, what is the problem ?
With dread, offline scammers can do what they want.
People don't trust any offers in private messages for now
if they are legit, they post it here in the forum if they don't want to do this
find someone else

melkI disagree with you, you can make quite accurate determinations if a person is legitimate or not buy asking a few questions.

And no, the reason for SMART people is to not give out their contacts publicly, everything that is public is suddenly under law enforcements watch list. Less people know of some suppliers the better for people who are serious and work large scale operations.

I would disagree with G.Patton to a certain extent, yes BBlistings offer legitimate sources, but they are unregulated when it comes to prices. I've spoken to some and their arguments are laughable.

The prices should be regulated on the forum matching the outside market and keep on being regulated and not use the U.S. "open market" value system.

 

[G.Patton]

I would disagree with G.Patton to a certain extent, yes BBlistings offer legitimate sources, but they are unregulated when it comes to prices. I've spoken to some and their arguments are laughable.

The prices should be regulated on the forum matching the outside market and keep on being regulated and not use the U.S. "open market" value system.

eyelowIt means a market economy. Nobody will sell with a loss. If we will regulate prices, nobody will work with us. We just can regulate deal fulfilling as escrow service.

 

[WinterDust]

It means a market economy. Nobody will sell with a loss. If we will regulate prices, nobody will work with us. We just can regulate deal fulfilling as escrow service.

G.PattonG.Patton,

I would have to disagree with you on this post also.

People will work here if there is a market, and the request as we can see is high on the forum.

Regulating a market has does not mean loss for sellers, this is not how economy works. If you have a regulated market it means more prospects will be interested in working on the forum and the members will feel more safe.

Let's for instance make an example:

One of you actuall sellers here on BB-list, sells P2nP / 1KG for 200$ the target price in Europe is 100$. Which means the vendor makes atleast 100% profit, how is it a loss if the market would be regulated to 100$/KG? Ofcourse they will make a profit, not 100% but maybe 20% instead.

This is a business and should be treated accordingly, I believe the forum will make more losses in the long run because of an unregulated market because as you can see, majority of members are actually looking for sources outside of the forum because people know the market is much cheaper outside of the forum and the quality is equal.

 

[melk]

I disagree with you, you can make quite accurate determinations if a person is legitimate or not buy asking a few questions.

And no, the reason for SMART people is to not give out their contacts publicly, everything that is public is suddenly under law enforcements watch list. Less people know of some suppliers the better for people who are serious and work large scale operations.

I would disagree with G.Patton to a certain extent, yes BBlistings offer legitimate sources, but they are unregulated when it comes to prices. I've spoken to some and their arguments are laughable.

The prices should be regulated on the forum matching the outside market and keep on being regulated and not use the U.S. "open market" value system.

eyelowYou are a very strange person.
If people ask for a product you claim you always can find it and allot below the normal price .
but you never answer directly . Only true, in a very sneaky way.
I don't trust you to be honest.

 

[WinterDust]

You are a very strange person.
If people ask for a product you claim you always can find it and allot below the normal price .
but you never answer directly . Only true, in a very sneaky way.
I don't trust you to be honest.

melkI did not understand your point.

If you want to discuss this topic further, please, send me a PM.

 

[andre010]

Hello, can you please help me ?

Is it possible to take Lithiumaluminiumhydrid in THF (LiAlH4) instead of Al/Hg with your method shown in the video ?

Can I copy your way of synthesis with using LiAlH4 in THF ?

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Hello, can you please help me ?

Is it possible to take Lithiumaluminiumhydrid in THF (LiAlH4) instead of Al/Hg with your method shown in the video ?

Can I copy your way of synthesis with using LiAlH4 in THF ?

andre010No, sir. LiAH is for lab use only, it is VERY pyrophoric.Read saftey data sheet of what you want to work with please!Also, you have procedure for LiAH reduction somewhere in this section, if you search and see you will indeed notice they are very different.

NaBH4 is a good substitute, check the thread.

 

[andre010]

Ich denke, dass sich keine Blasen mehr bilden, sobald der zugängliche Teil des Aluminiums reagiert hat, es schwimmen keine Moleküle im Wasser, Aluminium ist ein Metall, das bildlich gesprochen schichtweise abgetragen werden muss. Das bedeutet, dass unter der Schicht noch genug umwandelbares Aluminium vorhanden ist, um zu HgAl zu und dann das P2NP zu reduzieren, dh die Kettenreaktion ist beendet, sobald die Oberfläche der Folie angekratzt ist. Anschließend wird das Wasser abgelassen und das Amalgam in Verbindung mit dem Luftsauerstoff eine Oxidschicht gebildet, die das Amalgam wieder reaktionsunfähig macht. Unsere P2NP-Lösung WIRD hinzugefügt und wir haben kein reaktives Amalgam zur Verfügung, also fügen wir viel Quecksilbersalz hinzu, das sterbende Reaktion und Reduktion gestartet, sichtbar durch die vielen kleinen Blasen, die erscheinen,
Wir haben normalerweise einen Überschuss an Folie drin, um das gesamte P2NP umzuwandeln, aber wenn am Ende viel mehr Aluminium übrig ist, ist die Reduktion nicht vollständig und nicht das gesamte P2NP wurde umgewandelt, was weniger Ausbeute bedeutet, und das bedeutet, dass wir haben nicht genug Amalgam gebildet, um alles umzuwandeln. Was wir tun, wenn wir nicht warten, bis bei der Verschmelzung keine Blasen mehr aufsteigen.
Meine Meinung, ich weiß es nicht.

Kein Aluminium und kein machbares P2NP wäre das theoretische Optimum, das niemals erreicht wird.

ACAB

Nein Herr. LiAH ist nur für Laborzwecke, es ist SEHR pyrophor. Lesen Sie bitte das Sicherheitsdatenblatt darüber, womit Sie arbeiten möchten! Außerdem haben Sie irgendwo in diesem Abschnitt Verfahren zur LiAH-Reduzierung, wenn Sie suchen und sehen, werden Sie tatsächlich feststellen, dass sie sehr stark anders sind.

NaBH4 ist ein guter Ersatz, siehe Thread.

auch mit LiAH-Reduzierung

Nein Sir. LiAH ist nur für Laborzwecke, es ist SEHR pyrophor. Lesen Sie bitte das Sicherheitsdatenblatt darüber, womit Sie arbeiten möchten! Außerdem haben Sie irgendwo in diesem Abschnitt Verfahren zur LiAH-Reduzierung, wenn Sie suchen und sehen, werden Sie tatsächlich feststellen, dass sie sehr stark sind anders.

NaBH4 ist ein guter Ersatz, siehe Thread.

so with NaBH4 instead of Lialh4 in THF I could kopie the procedure from your video ?

 

[Benz88]

Hey guys, I have successfully completed this synthesis several times with very good results. Unfortunately, the smell of isopropanol disturbs. What about ethyl acetate? Is it possible to replace iso with ethyl acetate? Thank you in advance dear community.

 

[Acidosis]

Hey guys, I have successfully completed this synthesis several times with very good results. Unfortunately, the smell of isopropanol disturbs. What about ethyl acetate? Is it possible to replace iso with ethyl acetate? Thank you in advance dear community.

Benz88yes, this synthesis works perfectly with ethyl acetate, just use less acetic acid than with isopropanol, otherwise everything will be fine.

 

[andre010]

No, sir. LiAH is for lab use only, it is VERY pyrophoric.Read saftey data sheet of what you want to work with please!Also, you have procedure for LiAH reduction somewhere in this section, if you search and see you will indeed notice they are very different.

NaBH4 is a good substitute, check the thread.

UWe9o12jkied91dDo you know a procedure to synthesis Amphetamine from reduction with LiAlH4 in THF to describe quickly and short ?

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Do you know a procedure to synthesis Amphetamine from reduction with LiAlH4 in THF to describe quickly and short ?

andre010

Amphetamine synthesis via 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene LAH reduction

Reagents: Lithium aluminum hydride (LAH; cas 16853-85-3) 12 g; 1,4-Dioxane 300 ml; 1-Phenyl-2-nitropropene (P2NP; cas 705-60-2) 10 g; Sodium hydroxide (25% NaOH) aq. solution; Acetone ~50 ml; Sulfuric acid ~10 ml; Equipment and glassware: Two-naked round bottom flask 1 L; Retort stand and...

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here you go, please don't burn your house down
shulgin also describes this a few tens of times in pikhal

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

so with NaBH4 instead of Lialh4 in THF I could kopie the procedure from your video ?

andre010 Not exactly, look for NaBH4 procedure in this subforum.First one's free the second one you find yourself

 

[workworkwork]

One of you actuall sellers here on BB-list, sells P2nP / 1KG for 200$ the target price in Europe is 100$. Which means the vendor makes atleast 100% profit, how is it a loss if the market would be regulated to 100$/KG? Ofcourse they will make a profit, not 100% but maybe 20% instead.

eyelow
Could you share this supplier or send me in private message?

 

[Jack]

Cam somebody in great detail describe to me the exact moment I should pour off the mercuric solution from the aluminum when preparing an aluminum amalgam? It is unclear if there needs to be a heavy gray thick precipitate or not.