How to meet the PlugMan.

[bad_coco_melon]

Two plug men here and here we tell you how you can meet me or my brother or our fellow counterparts in or around you area.

Dealers are paranoid indeed but you shouldnt have any problem with this. The level of paranoia a dealer has is equivalent with the "fame"/popularity the dealer has. That said its obvious a coke dealer is gonna be more paranoid than a weed dealer simply because of what each sells and the punishment that comes with the substance.

Lets start small, youre a dude in highschool, 18 with a car and you desire some ketamine. Its obviously harder to find ketamine than just calling Ketamine Keith and asking the guy for a gram. Heres how to find this drug:
1. Ask people who use ketamine obviously and we dont mean asking horses. You dont know anyone doing ket? No biggie, go to bars, parks or anywhere where people on ketamine might hang out and sooner or later thru small talk you will get their dealer for sure.
2. Ask your current dealer. Lets say you already know a guy that sells cannabis, ask him! Most times the dealers know each other simply because as a dealer you gotta know the landscape.
3. Your friends. This shouldve been number one but no matter. Ask your friends maybe they know someone who sells, you never know and sometimes you might be surprised.

A bit harder: lets say youre middle-aged and you want LSD. The points of asking your current dealer still stands, always ask your dealer if he knows someone who sells whatever youre looking for.
Right here comes the most important point: most dealers brag a lot/have a lot of publicity. This means that if were to hop on instagram and search "LSD" you most will get an account near you of a dealer. And even going to a bar and looking for numbers in the bathroom will work, they could be dealers who can help you out.

The easiest: find weed, we specialize in this. Lets say you want weed and for this you only need to know the smell of weed and how a pot-head usually looks. Go around and search the smell of weed or look for people who looks like pot-heads. These people are the coolest dudes you will ever meet and 80% will give you their dealers contacts or even just sell you some of their weed. Here applies all of the above, ask a current dealer, ask friends. Most people have smoked weed or know someone who does smoke.

One important point is DONT LOOK LIKE A COPPER.

These days people work thru Snapchat, Signal or Telegram because you can delete messages after being read. Get flexible, work on multiple platforms.

We will be here and answer all your questions about this <3

 

[HEISENBERG]

What about making a marketplace where you can easily find a dealer near you?
For example, a dealer makes dead drops in the neighborhood. The buyer opens the marketplace, specifies his neighborhood and sees what's for sale near him, sees the cost and the packaging. The buyer pays for the product and is instantly shown all the information and a map with the exact location of the dead drop. 30-40 minutes and the buyer gets the coveted product, the seller gets his money and no one ever meets anyone in real life.

 

[41Dxflatline]

What about making a marketplace where you can easily find a dealer near you?
For example, a dealer makes dead drops in the neighborhood. The buyer opens the marketplace, specifies his neighborhood and sees what's for sale near him, sees the cost and the packaging. The buyer pays for the product and is instantly shown all the information and a map with the exact location of the dead drop. 30-40 minutes and the buyer gets the coveted product, the seller gets his money and no one ever meets anyone in real life.

HEISENBERGWhat if the buyer isn't a legitimate buyer at all? What if he makes many orders like a loyal customer would just to gather intel on dead drop locations which are then put under survelliance? It's very much not a good thing for the buyer to know the location where a dealer or employee has physically been nevermind where they're going to go

 

[HEISENBERG]

What if the buyer isn't a legitimate buyer at all? What if he makes many orders like a loyal customer would just to gather intel on dead drop locations which are then put under survelliance? It's very much not a good thing for the buyer to know the location where a dealer or employee has physically been nevermind where they're going to go

41DxflatlineYou have the wrong idea about this. Many factors come into play here, besides location the exact time is important, also no one ever knows how many people are working under the same flag. For example, in one city can work 30 people and if LE will buy up everything, then let's thank them for the proceeds. Match the geography of movement is almost impossible if approached intelligently.
How much time, effort and money should be spent on this is difficult to imagine. As a result, the investigation becomes so expensive that it ceases to be profitable.

 

[bad_coco_melon]

You have the wrong idea about this. Many factors come into play here, besides location the exact time is important, also no one ever knows how many people are working under the same flag. For example, in one city can work 30 people and if LE will buy up everything, then let's thank them for the proceeds. Match the geography of movement is almost impossible if approached intelligently.
How much time, effort and money should be spent on this is difficult to imagine. As a result, the investigation becomes so expensive that it ceases to be profitable.

HEISENBERGBut still dont think only of yourself. Think of the buyer too or the employee.
Employees can be corrupted by the coppers and Im sure they would do anything to shorten their time even if that includes feeding them some customers or even you, the head or the next in line above them.
@41Dxflatline concern is real and we do understand because his concern plays into one of our points, this OP would only work in big cities or small countries.

 

[bad_coco_melon]

@HEISENBERG
Interesting point but you see:
This imaginary marketplace could be compromised by the cops. Do you really want to get arrested even before you even get your hands on the drugs?

Also you would need to find a such platform. We know youre talking about an escrow system kind of platform but who and why and where would someone make such a platform?

We do like your idea.

We are not saying this is impossible as this is how dark web markets world but please consider how many people this would involve, the scale.

 

[HEISENBERG]

@HEISENBERG
Interesting point but you see:
This imaginary marketplace could be compromised by the cops. Do you really want to get arrested even before you even get your hands on the drugs?

Also you would need to find a such platform. We know youre talking about an escrow system kind of platform but who and why and where would someone make such a platform?

We do like your idea.

We are not saying this is impossible as this is how dark web markets world but please consider how many people this would involve, the scale.

bad_coco_melonHow will the cops compromise you before you get your hands on substances?
How many cops need to be involved if there are going to be hundreds of thousands of orders on the market every day?
How many events do we know where the arrest of one small market where goods were purchased and delivered by mail led to the arrest of hundreds of people? We know such examples.
How many events do we know where arrests of markets where vendors worked with dead drops led to multiple arrests of people? We know of no such examples.

Delivery of goods by dead drops is much safer and anonymous and faster than any other method of drug transfer.
The distribution system is primitive and simple. LE are not able to effectively counter this method of distribution and identify the supply chain of goods when thousands of people are building a business and never even see each other.

If you or anyone else is ready to join such a market, ready to start building a local business to sell substances this way - write to me, we have a lot to discuss.

 

[bad_coco_melon]

How will the cops compromise you before you get your hands on substances?
How many cops need to be involved if there are going to be hundreds of thousands of orders on the market every day?
How many events do we know where the arrest of one small market where goods were purchased and delivered by mail led to the arrest of hundreds of people? We know such examples.
How many events do we know where arrests of markets where vendors worked with dead drops led to multiple arrests of people? We know of no such examples.

Delivery of goods by dead drops is much safer and anonymous and faster than any other method of drug transfer.
The distribution system is primitive and simple. LE are not able to effectively counter this method of distribution and identify the supply chain of goods when thousands of people are building a business and never even see each other.

If you or anyone else is ready to join such a market, ready to start building a local business to sell substances this way - write to me, we have a lot to discuss.

HEISENBERG
Call us crazy but we do not trust the dead-drop system. This system is unreliable because of *greed. Imagine this mister: just how a shady vendor might scam you on AlphaBay just like that some dead-drop dealer might. We get that there will be things to avoid this but still, we cannot stand by it with this flaw in mind. A buyer might say the package was never there cuz the vendor never placed anything, the vendor might even send someone to check and boom the cops creep in and get your employee and sooner or later he will crack up and you are completely FUCKED.

Something to think about is also the coverage of this kind of OP. This idea could only work in dense populate arias, the more sellers the better and the same goes for customers.

Now lets talk bad actors and cops. You said that its impossible to catch someone plant a dead-drop or pick it up but we would like to say the opposite. First thing that comes to mind is "yeah sure maybe you might not catch someone putting something somewhere but i bet you can catch someone picking something up, for sure". Lets say you are a seller and you have to leave a package for a buyer, maybe you wont ever get caught but i can assure you the buyer will slip, he will end up betting caught when obtaining the goods. Now think the same scenario but imagine the goods were planted by the cops/bad actors (because the platform is semi compromised) in order to catch him because maybe he is of importance or the feds just wanna ruin his life.

This design only protects the vendor or so called dealer while giving the buyer no deniable possibility.

 

[HEISENBERG]

@bad_coco_melon
Everything is learned by comparison. When we talk about buying or selling drugs, we can't find a 100% safe way. In any interpretation, we can say that the distribution system is flawed.
We have to think under the assumption that the buyer and the seller in most cases do not want to cheat each other, if there is a problem we have to solve it based on the data we can gather from the parties in the deal.
The dealer can also send a package of laundry detergent, but say it's cocaine.

When we talk about selling, we need to understand what is important:
-Speed of delivery to the customer.
-Safety of the seller.
-Safety of the buyer.

With general equals, dead drops win on all counts. Any new inputs should be applied in comparison to both methods of sales so that it is objective.

 

[HEISENBERG]

Dead drops or postal delivery?

 

[41Dxflatline]

If you're a darknet dealer who takes the correct precautions it will be almost impossible to find out who you are as things stand today. With a dead drop system you're not only increasing your exposure you're also having to play courier which increases your overheads. A small volume of orders you could do yourself but what if there's more orders than safe drop locations and what if doing these dead drops means you're not weighing and bagging orders back at base? You're gonna have to hire some people I can see it getting out of hand. Post in most countries is 99% safe unless its weed.

 

[ochocinco]

I always find it interesting as none of the rules apply in Colombia. There is a specific structure in place that is completely foreign to most people at the upper echelons.

 

[ochocinco]

And pardon if my English is not the best.

 

[Frit Buchner]

Knowing your rights and the law is important. I've been busted 3-4 times with drugs but I've never been formally charged. I've slithered my way out if it every time knock on wood. If you’re about to get caught make a scene. Act strong when you are weak and weak when you are strong. I once was stopped by the cops and they were interrogating me. They were fabricating reasonable suspension so I started arguing with them. They bodyslammed me and cuffed me, took everything out of my pockets and ran me in. When they were booking me in they found the bag of cocaine in my wallet and got excited. Then I said, you planted that in my wallet you crooked motherfuckers! YOU GOT A CHAIN OF CUSTODY ON MY PROPERTY? I haven't seen that wallet in an hour you threw it in the trunk and that's the last I saw of it. "
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