Methamphetamine and Amphetamine Syntheses Methods Comparison

[Jordan Belfort]

why does Al/Hg say only max 100 grams ? you can do that reaction up to 200L a time..... and yield is just 80 percent with correct ratio's, especially if you use nitro as solvent and source of methylamine ofcourse it will mix much better because it DOESNT boil of the methylamine from your reaction as it GENERATES

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Mix better because it makes a aezotrope with the oil and methanol

 

[Fernandohatescorn]

Hi for Leckart meth reaction p2p with N-form it says 30-38% yeild is a higher yeilds possible and what percentage?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

No birch reaction? I wonder how synthing an ephedrine precursors to start would compare

 

[GhostChemist]

Birch reaction will be later

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

18 months ago, I wrote that. I've learned a lot. There's still along way to go, but a birch reaction in the strict sense is our of the range of most drug cooks, and what you see people doing to make meth is more of a "birch-like reaction" or I like to call it the solvated electron, although that's about as big a mis-monoker as saying it's a birch. The lithium/ammoniated nonpolar solvent shouldn't even work, but I've seen it with my own eyes. You guys ever get to this method?

 

[jasper]

can you make a video of NaBH4 process not a good chemistry background but really want to learn this method

 

[GhostChemist]

Video will be in the future

 

[Methodman]

I have a few side questions. What methods make better gear. I dont believe that the end molecule is the same. These p2p. I dont. Know with they are dooing. But the is just not it. Hollow. Pseudo. I would never spent a day sleeping and. Eating. Even the birch was different then ths hypo different then ortho. But there was a. Standard of sorts. This pretty js good for loafing. And jerking off. Any thoughts

 

[sumof666]

If u buy "gear" what's on market(and i guessingYou are) think that not more then
20% of your "gear" is the REAL GEAR
Depends from how the dealer usually you'll find probably coffeine, creatine.
Another factor is what acid had been used to create amphetamine salt. Best if its sulfiuric 6 then bioavailability is highest if was used ortofosforic its less aviable for your cells. If would be used citric acid you would be able to use table spoon to feel any kick.
That how I see it
all methods leading to create Afreebase molecule how it been treated and what's been used to dilute your GEAR depends how it workson you .
For me clear amf sulfate works same without influence of method

 

[sumof666]

If u buy "gear" what's on market(and i guessingYou are) think that not more then
20% of your "gear" is the REAL GEAR
Depends from how the dealer usually you'll find probably coffeine, creatine.
Another factor is what acid had been used to create amphetamine salt. Best if its sulfiuric 6 then bioavailability is highest if was used ortofosforic its less aviable for your cells. If would be used citric acid you would be able to use table spoon to feel any kick.
That how I see it
all methods leading to create Afreebase molecule how it been treated and what's been used to dilute your GEAR depends how it workson you .
For me clear amf sulfate works same without influence of method

 

[Berlin777]

Why all the sources tell different yields for amphetamine synthesis via Leuckart?

 

[Chemtrail]

Great post !! Your a gentleman and a scholar!!

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

I'd like to see how an electroreduction stacks up here, the fact that there's a lot less chemicals suggests it's cheaper to make, and therefor a better value

 

[Chemtrail]

If you were to add LiAlH4 to that "Synthesis Comparison Methods" chart

How will LiAlH4 measure up ??

Or Sodium Cyanoborohydride measure up ??

 

[GhostChemist]

This synthesis carried out without LiBH4 or NaBH3CN
Because synthesis with these reducing agents are dangerous

 

[Chemtrail]

Dangerous because there cannot be any water H2O none at all?, with these reducing agents

 

[GhostChemist]

yes
and for the NaBH3CN, this reagent during long-term storage can generate HCN and subproducts
but this reducing agents very selective in some syntheses

 

[Chemtrail]

Thank you

Seems not only dangerous (because of violent reaction with water)

But LiAlH4 and NaBH3CN are expensive too

My labrat thinks NaBH3CN takes a long time 24-48+ hours
and LiAlH4 takes 4-24 hours
For RXN reduction time

Both have really good yeilds

 

[GhostChemist]

These reducing reagents are apply in different synthesis, as example for the selective reduction of functional groups

 

[Chemtrail]

My labrat is jealous of that guy who has "creditentials" within the science community (Sigma-Alrich, Fisher, university and science-related businesses), has permits/licenses and/or identification that allows access to
access to some of these precursors that we (we * as in a bunch of amateur clandestine hobbist druggies that cook drugs in their parents basement, when Momma is not looking lol) dream of ..

My labrat dreams of having a liter of phenylacetone and trying out the various METHods of reducing the ketone

Life is but a dream

 

[waltjr5858]

I can fully attest to the dangerousness of cyanoborohydride... and hydrogen cyanide. Luckily I didn't get too much in my system because usually by the time you feel it it's already too late but I was in full fresh air when it hit me and it felt like drowning on land but luckily after an hour or so it passed and I could tell I wasn't in any danger but close enough

 

[waltjr5858]

I actually use lithium aluminum hydride to dry my ether before using it for a reaction. Now this ether is not dripping wet but there is absolutely a reaction so I add very small amounts at a time and when it stops reacting The Ether is now dry enough to use for the reaction itself. Lithium aluminum hydride is not inherently that dangerous. If you ever use it be careful don't go mixing 10 G of it with a cup of water or anything just give it respect and you'll be fine. Using an inert atmosphere is also highly recommended because you'll notice on the condenser side of the reaction aluminum salts will start building up in the reaction solvent sticking to the flask due to moisture creeping in even past the drying tube. Tanks can be had online for Fairly cheap and many local stores will do a tank swap and you could at least trickle some inert air in and then flow out the condenser preventing moisture from coming in. Also anyone that quenches especially if using ether make sure that ether is freezing cold before you start or you will have no either left by the time you're done because it will literally just evaporate. I have a couple sources in the USA that will sell lithium aluminum hydride to residential addresses but yes semi pricey but if stored properly will last quite some time. Enjoy

 

[Chemtrail]

Oh my !

Heard that if you put a cyanide compound in an acidic solution, hydrogen cyanide gas will evolve

 

[waltjr5858]

Yes....scary to say the least