One-pot Amphetamine Synthesis From P2NP With NaBH4/CuCl2 (1kg scale)

[Mystery_chemistry]

gentlemen, why part of the oil crystallized in the freezer? after leaving at room temperature it returns to the liquid

 

[KokosDreams]

I saw such a 33l on the net. the specification shows that the 20 l flask should fit ...

Mystery_chemistryYes, it should fit. Most of the wine cookers I found got around 39cm diameter while my flask has got 37.5, I keep looking for a wine cooker that is a little bigger then it should be perfect

 

[WinterDust]

gentlemen, why part of the oil crystallized in the freezer? after leaving at room temperature it returns to the liquid
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Mystery_chemistry
Hi,

If you go back in the thread and read I had the same problem with pictures.

No one knows why this happens or what it is.

Just crystalize the freebase instead of putting it in the freezer.

 

[WinterDust]

where can I buy 1 kg

CuCl2 in europe​

h20
There are several places and countries in Europe that sell this compound legally.

Unfortunetly you asked the question in the wrong thread, try again and apply yourself in the right thread and I might answer you.

 

[Mystery_chemistry]

Hi,

If you go back in the thread and read I had the same problem with pictures.

No one knows why this happens or what it is.

Just crystalize the freebase instead of putting it in the freezer.

eyelowonly that for me it was so that the whole 300ml was not done in the freezer, and when I poured it on 3x 100ml, it was done in two jars ... in my opinion, the concentration of the product may be too high, so it cannot stay in the form of a liquid. but I can be wrong

 

[Saul]

Yes, it should fit. Most of the wine cookers I found got around 39cm diameter while my flask has got 37.5, I keep looking for a wine cooker that is a little bigger then it should be perfect

KokosDreams
in holland in the aldi stores they sell now canning kettles ( inmaak ketels )
to cook vegetables or fruit for storage in glass jar.
quality and cheep

 

[h20]

There are several places and countries in Europe that sell this compound legally.

Unfortunetly you asked the question in the wrong thread, try again and apply yourself in the right thread and I might answer you.

eyelowthis is the right thread here !
you need it for this synthesis.

 

[KokosDreams]

in holland in the aldi stores they sell now canning kettles ( inmaak ketels )
to cook vegetables or fruit for storage in glass jar.
quality and cheep

SaulI didn't found it online, maybe it's just in store. What's their inner diameter?

 

[KokosDreams]

this is the right thread here !
you need it for this synthesis.

h20The thing about your question is that you should be able to find that out yourself when it is about easy accessible chemicals.
It's like asking where I can buy IPA or distilled water..

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[Saul]

I didn't found it online, maybe it's just in store. What's their inner diameter?

KokosDreams
yes I see it in the store some weeks aggo
but I know that everything they have in holland also comes to belgium 2 till 3 weeks later.

https://offers.kd2.org/pics/35/63/3563188de5ba9a44382090b755d7695ea5eb944f.jpg

 

[KokosDreams]

yes I see it in the store some weeks aggo
but I know that everything they have in holland also comes to belgium 2 till 3 weeks later.

https://offers.kd2.org/pics/35/63/3563188de5ba9a44382090b755d7695ea5eb944f.jpg

SaulThanks Holland and Belgium are too far to go there to buy it. I will stick to the options I got!

 

[workworkwork]

recommend a wine warmer. there are different capacities. select the correct size of the flask. you pour water, you add ice, e.g. 1: 1 (water: ice) during the first stage, it cools everything nicely. after adding all p2np the ice is gone. you turn on the heating. you set the heater temperature and you continue to fly from the robot View attachment 7726

Mystery_chemistry
And maybe I will use without a glass flask because the inside is double enamel coating.
I'm having difficulty buying a multi neck flask anonymously, maybe I can use the wine warmer as a reactor and make some holes in the lid. That was what they did in the busted lab wasn't it?
Thanks to share this!

 

[KokosDreams]

And maybe I will use without a glass flask because the inside is double enamel coating.
I'm having difficulty buying a multi neck flask anonymously, maybe I can use the wine warmer as a reactor and make some holes in the lid. That was what they did in the busted lab wasn't it?
Thanks to share this!

workworkworkThey have indeed used wine warmers like this for a reactor replacement and used bigger wine warmers as cooling system.
As far as I know they have used it for one single production step, which was the production of P2P

 

[G.Patton]

gentlemen, why part of the oil crystallized in the freezer? after leaving at room temperature it returns to the liquid
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Mystery_chemistryBecause you have reached amphetamine melting point 11.3 °C (52.3 °F)

 

[WinterDust]

Because you have reached amphetamine melting point 11.3 °C (52.3 °F)

G.PattonHi,

I don't quite understand this part.

How can a liquid like amphetamine freebase, melt?

So when amphetamine freebase reaches 11.3°C it crystallizes into a jelly like form, as shown in the second picture?

But this answer can't be right either, because I made approx. 15l of amphetamine oil, and i put it in the freezer over night in a closed container, only 1/3 became "Jelly" the rest of it staid in it's original form.

I would appriciate if the chemists / admins could do a test of this issue and take tests of the "Jelly" to see what it actually is, if it an be discarded or if it actually is a part of the amphetamine oil and needs to be preserved with the rest.

I can add, I do not distill or vacuum my oil after adding the NaoH 25%, I only seperate the layers and go straight for crystallization or when I don't have the time I put it in the freezer and the Jelly state happens.

Best regards

 

[G.Patton]

How can a liquid like amphetamine freebase, melt?

eyelowHi, please, read about the Melting point characteristic in Wiki.

as shown in the second picture?

which picture do you mean?

15l of amphetamine oil, and i put it in the freezer over night in a closed container, only 1/3 became "Jelly" the rest of it staid in it's original form.

Have you removed all water with help of desiccant like MgSO4 or Na2SO4?

 

[WinterDust]

Hi, please, read about the Melting point characteristic in Wiki.

Let's see if I can find it

which picture do you mean?

This picture, your answer to him was the amphetamineoil reached it's melting point, when I showed my picture a few weeks ago you did not know what the jelly state form was.

Have you removed all water with help of desiccant like MgSO4 or Na2SO4?

No, I have not used any desiccants, altough I am going to start doing it. So the answer could be that the water from the NaoH 25% crystalizes during freezing? In my opinion if this is the result, then it's good, because then we can just discard of the Jelly without any looses in amphetamine oil.

Best Regards

 

[G.Patton]

No, I have not used any desiccants, altough I am going to start doing it. So the answer could be that the water from the NaoH 25% crystalizes during freezing?

eyelowWater can form this jelly with amphetamine. It is better to dry this mixture and freeze again.

 

[Mystery_chemistry]

No, I have not used any desiccants, altough I am going to start doing it. So the answer could be that the water from the NaoH 25% crystalizes during freezing? In my opinion if this is the result, then it's good, because then we can just discard of the Jelly without any looses in amphetamine oil.

Best Regards

eyelowafter phase separation, pour petroleum ether into the organic phase and carry out extractions. this will cut off the dirt and water and move the free base itself. the aqueous phase can also be extracted once with ether. combine the extracts and evaporate at 40 degrees. rinsing with 10% naoh solution may also be needed to raise the pH.

 

[WinterDust]

after phase separation, pour petroleum ether into the organic phase and carry out extractions. this will cut off the dirt and water and move the free base itself. the aqueous phase can also be extracted once with ether. combine the extracts and evaporate at 40 degrees. rinsing with 10% naoh solution may also be needed to raise the pH.

Mystery_chemistryThank you for the input, although I don't want to ad more compounds to the synthesis, because of logistics and many more factors involved.

Please take a look at my new post with picture.