Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)

[ASheSChem]

@ASheSChem

hi i face the same problem with you, but I wash with cold tap water, are you washing it with cold distilled water?

malayboyyes i use distilled water

 

[MadHatter]

but if we use the correct mol in the mercury nitrate equation, even 50% nitric acid can treated as concentrated with correct mol synthesis, yes?

Hg + 4HNO3 ----> Hg(NO3)2 + 2NO2 + 2H2O,

malayboyNo, concentrated means concentrated. It's >60%. But I'm not exactly sure at what dilution the conversion to mercury(I)nitrate can occur. Maybe 50% is ok.

 

[Montecristo]

Adding metallic mercury to some 50% nitric acid and not inhaling the fumes, then using this to amalgamate Al in water or alcohol.
Works always, relieable and fast.
If this is now the (I) or (II) nitrate I confess I never spent a thought on.

But all mercury salts work, solubility is secondary. Mercury alone is not really the hit, but some nitric acid or some HCl and a pinch of nitrate help it to get on the way.

The amalgamation is cake from the mercury side of the fence, the problems blamed on the mercury are IMHO virtually always to blame on the aluminium in special the stupid foil which still is believed to be suitable.
Get some good 99,9% Al granules and amalgamation will be the least of your troubles, the whole reaction will then be troublefree most probably.

ch3wbaccacould you explain further the hcl and nitrate method for dissolving mercury?
what weight of mercury metal for this size? i have small thermometers

 

[MadHatter]

You'll know if you produced mercury(I)nitrate: it will be a yellow salt instead of a white salt.

 

[ACAB]

but if we use the correct mol in the mercury nitrate equation, even 50% nitric acid can treated as concentrated with correct mol synthesis, yes?

Hg + 4HNO3 ----> Hg(NO3)2 + 2NO2 + 2H2O,

malayboyThe temperature also plays an important role here, it must be hot concentrated acid >60°C

could you explain further the hcl and nitrate method for dissolving mercury?
what weight of mercury metal for this size? i have small thermometers

I think he meant that he destroys the oxide layer of the aluminum foil with acid so that the mercury reacts with the aluminum to form amalgam.

 

[danil1398]

Thanks for the answers so far, they helped us a lot even though we had a lot of failures. Let's say four rounds in a row failed, the part where P2NP and aluminum amalgam merge did not react, neither the temperature rose nor anything, we tried to warm up but failed. The second time there was a violent reaction and everything evaporated in a matter of seconds. What could be the problem? Aluminum? We cut 1x1cm squares from kitchen foil, we tried several types of foils, thicker and normal. After the fourth putanam, did the reaction succeed? What could be the problem? In the form of aluminum foil or something else? We worked the nitrate according to the instructions from the thermometer with nitric acid of 60% and we mixed it once with mercury and once we heated it to 60C because someone here on the forum wrote that nitrate is released only after 60C, dark yellow and brown the vapors we blew away and a clear yellow liquid remained and we thought it was the mercury nitrate we needed. Thank you

 

[danil1398]

Is there anyone to sell mercury nitrate here on the forum?

It’s exhausting to completely look for thermometers and make it yourself. And we think that we create a problem here, so we always lose the same strength, and when we store the prepared mercury nitrate in the refrigerator, we believe that it loses its properties after a few days. We are looking for Europe and it is nowhere to be found, nor is it on Amazon.

So if someone has to sell mercury nitrate they would really buy it, at least a little bit until something concrete comes up in Europe that we can buy ourselves.

Or does Mercury have anyone to sell?

 

[danil1398]

And yes, one more question about synthesis. I will definitely have more, but I think it's good because others learn something from my questions, hehe

Can the quantities be increased? I am thinking that since some syntheses fail, instead of the recommended amounts from this synthesis (10g of P2NP, 100ml of IPA, 50g of sodium hydroxide, 150ml of water...and the rest), I should increase the mentioned amounts by 5 times (50g of P2NP, 500ml of IPA, 250g of sodium hydroxide , 750 ml of water...and others)

Or to increase them by 2, 3 or 10 times?

Would that work?

 

[ACAB]

Thanks for the answers so far, they helped us a lot even though we had a lot of failures. Let's say four rounds in a row failed, the part where P2NP and aluminum amalgam merge did not react, neither the temperature rose nor anything, we tried to warm up but failed. The second time there was a violent reaction and everything evaporated in a matter of seconds. What could be the problem? Aluminum? We cut 1x1cm squares from kitchen foil, we tried several types of foils, thicker and normal. After the fourth putanam, did the reaction succeed? What could be the problem? In the form of aluminum foil or something else? We worked the nitrate according to the instructions from the thermometer with nitric acid of 60% and we mixed it once with mercury and once we heated it to 60C because someone here on the forum wrote that nitrate is released only after 60C, dark yellow and brown the vapors we blew away and a clear yellow liquid remained and we thought it was the mercury nitrate we needed. Thank you

danil1398It is probably more the production of the amalgam than the nitrate itself. It has less to do with the aluminium foil itself, as long as the right amount is present. You can tell if your nitrate is effective if the aluminum slowly dissolves and the water turns dark gray and bubbles rise.
You have to wait for the right moment when you add P2NP, when enough amalgam has formed, but before this reaction reaches its peak, I would say 10-15 minutes after the addition, but it always depends on how much nitrate you have added, how much you stir or shake and how your aluminum looks like.
You said everything would have evaporated, the reaction is strongly exothermic you have to cool the flask to get that under control, so there you were on the right path.

It’s exhausting to completely look for thermometers and make it yourself. And we think that we create a problem here, so we always lose the same strength, and when we store the prepared mercury nitrate in the refrigerator, we believe that it loses its properties after a few days.

The nitrate liquid is an acidic solution and if you have prepared it according to the instructions, it can be stored in the refrigerator for several weeks/month. And yes, the nitric acid must be hot, at least 60°C so that the correct nitrate is formed with the formation of brown toxic nitrogen dioxide.

Is there anyone to sell mercury nitrate here on the forum?

Or does Mercury have anyone to sell?

If you are from Europe, take a closer look in the eastern part, there you can get mercury and sometimes the right nitrates.

Can the quantities be increased? I am thinking that since some syntheses fail, instead of the recommended amounts from this synthesis (10g of P2NP, 100ml of IPA, 50g of sodium hydroxide, 150ml of water...and the rest), I should increase the mentioned amounts by 5 times (50g of P2NP, 500ml of IPA, 250g of sodium hydroxide , 750 ml of water...and others)

Or to increase them by 2, 3 or 10 times?

Would that work?

You can scale the quantities as you like, but keep in mind that if you don't succeed in synthesis with the small quantities, you won't succeed with the larger quantities either, and then there is the danger that the reaction, which increases expotentially with the quantity, will blow up in your face, and we all don't want that, do we?

 

[WinterDust]

Question about the Mercury (II) Nitrate - Hg(NO3)2 - 324.7 g/mol

Instead of Mercury (II) Nitrate, can it be substituted for another Mercury compound?

For example:

Mercury (I) Nitrate - Hg2(NO3)2 - 525.19 g/mol
Mercury (I) Chloride - Hg₂Cl₂ - 472.09 g/mol
Mercury (II) Chloride - HgCl2 - 271.52 g/mol

If, yes it can be substituted by any of the above.

Follow-up question.

The molar mass are higher on two compounds and lower on one compound. Does the dosage need to change in the "recipe" or is it 0,1g still?

Best Regards

 

[ACAB]

Mercury (II) Chloride - HgCl2 - 271.52 g/mol

EyelowThis one works also very well. The other two do not work.

The amount of mercury salt has a very wide ratio to aluminum, ranging from 1:1300 to 1:650 (mercury(II) nitrate to Al in moles) Thus, the amount cannot really be given in a specific size. However, feel free to adjust the ratios to chloride to have an idea of the range.

 

[G.Patton]

Mercury (I) Nitrate - Hg2(NO3)2 - 525.19 g/mol
Mercury (I) Chloride - Hg₂Cl₂ - 472.09 g/mol

EyelowNo and no

Mercury (II) Chloride - HgCl2 - 271.52 g/mol

Yes.
You can read my topic Aluminium amalgam (Al/Hg) summary. There are answers.

 

[Honolulu98]

Question about the Mercury (II) Nitrate - Hg(NO3)2 - 324.7 g/mol

Instead of Mercury (II) Nitrate, can it be substituted for another Mercury compound?

For example:

Mercury (I) Nitrate - Hg2(NO3)2 - 525.19 g/mol
Mercury (I) Chloride - Hg₂Cl₂ - 472.09 g/mol
Mercury (II) Chloride - HgCl2 - 271.52 g/mol

If, yes it can be substituted by any of the above.

Follow-up question.

The molar mass are higher on two compounds and lower on one compound. Does the dosage need to change in the "recipe" or is it 0,1g still?

Best Regards

Eyelow

The only chloride that works for you is the third one:

"Mercury (II) Chloride - HgCl2 - 271.52 g/mol"

I suffered a lot looking for mercuric nitrate but someone in this forum told me that mercuric chloride would work for me. I managed to obtain it in my country for about €120 per 100gr. And since the quantities to be used are tiny... it is eternal.

 

[WinterDust]

The only chloride that works for you is the third one:

"Mercury (II) Chloride - HgCl2 - 271.52 g/mol"

I suffered a lot looking for mercuric nitrate but someone in this forum told me that mercuric chloride would work for me. I managed to obtain it in my country for about €120 per 100gr. And since the quantities to be used are tiny... it is eternal.

Honolulu98
Hi,

Would you please share your contact for Mercury(II)Chloride, since this is the only compound missing for my synthesis, everything else I've managed to get.

 

[WinterDust]

Question about the synthesis.

Let us say that I want to make a P2nP 500g synthesis in an open stainlessteel-barrel.

The exothermic process can be handled with a stainlessteel cooling spiral connected to the cold water supply in your home and it can be lowered and removed by hand easily to reach the correct temperature. The mixture can easily be mixed by hand with a stainlessteel "spoon". The problem with this process as I understood it would be the evaporation of the Isopropyl Alcohol & Acetic Acid during this process because of the reaction needs to maintain 55-60Celcius.

To the question: Isn't it possible to have a preheated mixture of Isopropyl Alcohol & Acetic Acid already at 60Celcius next to the main batch and just add it to the mixture as the reaction is going when it get low, or does this disturbe with the reaction?

Best Regards

 

[Botsauto-Dutchland]

guys can i use Formic acid 85% intead of Gaa not in the mood for trying so shoul i do a reduction in formic tonight or i wait for Gaa

 

[Botsauto-Dutchland]

btw i found a way with mercury metal in gaa and 50% h202 , boil it gently: you get lots of foamy i gues mercuryacetate.. filter the foam and safe it. amalgams work great reaction kicks in cold.

 

[WillD]

Let us say that I want to make a P2nP 500g synthesis in an open stainlessteel-barrel.

EyelowUse a plastic barrel

The exothermic process can be handled with a stainlessteel cooling spiral

Use polypropylene pipes for underfloor heating

needs to maintain 55-60Celcius.

Yes

To the question: Isn't it possible to have a preheated mixture of Isopropyl Alcohol & Acetic Acid already at 60Celcius next to the main batch and just add it to the mixture as the reaction is going when it get low, or does this disturbe with the reaction?

Then the temperature rises rapidly, the reaction will be uncontrollable.

 

[WillD]

guys can i use Formic acid 85% intead of Gaa not in the mood for trying so shoul i do a reduction in formic tonight or i wait for Gaa

Dutch046Yes you can use formic acid

 

[Botsauto-Dutchland]

yes i can 15gr p2np 1Liter flask was a bit scary @ some moments i needed 1 hour for amalgam did not rinse it wit aced or bace before just the (i gues Hg acetate) 15 gr p2np 16 gr al and about 100ml formic acid and solved the p2n2 in Meoh just enough to solve and it was heated but cooled after then addes the formic acid 85 % to the meoh p2np solution.. finaly when the amalgam was ready(also in meoh) it turned deep orange.. i added it in i gues 8 times.the second time drop via cooler it came almost at the last ball from the cooler... so yes it works well thnx william for the advice