Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)

[Botsauto-Dutchland]

yes i can 15gr p2np 1Liter flask was a bit scary @ some moments i needed 1 hour for amalgam did not rinse it wit aced or bace before just the (i gues Hg acetate) 15 gr p2np 16 gr al and about 100ml formic acid and solved the p2n2 in Meoh just enough to solve and it was heated but cooled after then addes the formic acid 85 % to the meoh p2np solution.. finaly when the amalgam was ready(also in meoh) it turned deep orange.. i added it in i gues 8 times.the second time drop via cooler it came almost at the last ball from the cooler... so yes it works well thnx william for the advice

Dutch046again dont know yield i think i use phosforic acid to get the salt but in the 9 ml you see in pc is a litle water it was in cooler and adapters

 

[Botsauto-Dutchland]

again dont know yield i think i use phosforic acid to get the salt but in the 9 ml you see in pc is a litle water it was in cooler and adapters

Dutch046still dripping i desided to distill 130 ml o 15% sulfuric so, but i think i need some sleep

 

[yin-yang]

I cant distill sulfuric acid. I can heat it until it starts fuming and get to ~95%. Should that be okay for freebase salt formation? that extra water will dissolve formed salt so I ll lose a bit. Anything else?

 

[ACAB]

I cant distill sulfuric acid. I can heat it until it starts fuming and get to ~95%. Should that be okay for freebase salt formation? that extra water will dissolve formed salt so I ll lose a bit. Anything else?

wannabeechemistQuite sufficient, always close the sulfuric acid well, because it has the property to absorb water from the air.

 

[aaronstevens]

If I get mercury II nitrate monohydrate, how do I seperate H2O best as the boiling point of mercury is below the one from H20? OR Will it simply not work at all

 

[WillD]

If I get mercury II nitrate monohydrate, how do I seperate H2O best as the boiling point of mercury is below the one from H20? OR Will it simply not work at all

aaronstevensUse monohydrate

 

[TerminusEst]

This reaction is working quit well for me, managed to do a few test runs of 20grams in a thick 7 liter HDPE barrel with efficiency reaching about 60 %ish after drying on low temperature in a dehumidifyer. got a little overacidification in some batches but overall its a very nice white substance that once properly dried forms grains that turn into powder with ligth-medium pressure.
i got two questions though.

My mercury nitrate turns yellow when it touches the water, the mercury is pure white before adding it into the aluminium/water mixture but as soon as it is added to the water it turns yellow and after sitting in the water/alluminium it even turns almost red-orange ish. these lumps seem to only poorly disolve in water bc i need to rinse at least 3-4 times to get rid of every little trace amount. my mercury metal comes from tilt switches which makes me think it might be contaminated with trace amounts of other metals maybe ?

my second concern is my p2np does not disolve in my IPA/acetic acid mixture given the 10g P2NP in 100 ml isopropyl and 50 ml glacial acetic acid. my aceticc acid is only 80%. i need aprox 120-130 ml of IPA and propably 70 ml acetic acid to disolve th ep2np, otherwise i have yellow crytsals swirling around in my solution.
migth this be a consequence of the 80% acetic acid ?

 

[ACAB]

otherwise i have yellow crytsals swirling around in my solution.

TerminusEstHeat the solution a bit to 50°C, but not to hot, because then the yellow will turn red.

 

[TerminusEst]

i will try that thank you, by the way, is it possible to substitute the IPA with for example bioethanol ? would be much easier to source than IPA in larger quanteties.

 

[WinterDust]

i will try that thank you, by the way, is it possible to substitute the IPA with for example bioethanol ? would be much easier to source than IPA in larger quanteties.

TerminusEstIPA is legal in Poland for consumers and costs around 20$ for 5L 99% >

Best regards

 

[TerminusEst]

Yes its legal but bioethanol is cheaper, less suspicious and can be easily be sourced in large qunateties offline which i think makes it preferable if it is possible to use it.

 

[ACAB]

is it possible to substitute the IPA with for example bioethanol ?

TerminusEstI know or better i read that one has used Methanol for synthesis, so it should be also possible to use Ethanol. You must seperate all solvents before add the acid to get almost water free, so what matter, try it and report back.

 

[cyb3r0]

When I increase p2np how many other reagents do I put?

 

[WinterDust]

When I increase p2np how many other reagents do I put?

cyb3r0Depends on how much of the P2nP you want to increase.

The same amount of % increase of P2nP should be added to the other ingredients as well.

For example the recipe is for 10g of P2nP, if you want to cook a batch consistent of 20g P2nP that is a 100% increase, then add 100% to the other ingredients aswell. Easy as that.

 

[yin-yang]

Chemist use molar ratios. That is the best way to have accurate conversion.

 

[Botsauto-Dutchland]

Chemist use molar ratios. That is the best way to have accurate conversion.

wannabeechemisti tryd but cant find molar ratios on a site like wikipedia or something just like the question what the molar ration for p2p iron and fecl

 

[Heartburn]

Done exactly like in the video, except adding 62.5ml of 80% acetic acid. At the beginning I was worried about acid concentration s obas of the age and quality of P2NP (about 10 months in jar, got little oily wet). l've failed Al/Hg recipe from "scribd" site three times, si i was hopeless. But reaction was so vigorous that I had to rinse condenser with additional 20ml IPA. I've dried 99% acetone over molecular sieve baked 300°C, but somehow after adding 96% sulphuric acid it turned into brown thick goo. So I had to acidify it phosphorous way. Final product is very potent, yield is 7.2g dry from 10.3g P2NP. In the next week I'd take a sample to my workplace and take a quality shot on GC-MS/MS.
Also, I'm curious if I can replace GAA with different acid eg. formic? The smell of spilled 80% vinegar is horrible

 

[G.Patton]

In the next week I'd take a sample to my workplace and take a quality shot on GC-MS/MS.

HeartburnCongratulation! It would be nice. Share us your result please.

Also, I'm curious if I can replace GAA with different acid eg. formic? The smell of spilled 80% vinegar is horrible

I can imagine and well understand you. You can try this recipe without acetic acid.

after adding 96% sulphuric acid it turned into brown thick

Did you add acid directly? You have to use sulphuric acid solution (~10%) in acetone.

 

[Heartburn]

Did you add acid directly? You have to use sulphuric acid solution (~10%) in acetone.

G.PattonI added 2ml of 96% acid to 10ml acetone, you say that i have to use diluted sulphuric acid to mix with acetone? I thought that neutralisation agent should be as anhydrous as possible. Next time I'll try this recipe on 1g scale with molar equivalent of 85% formic acid.

 

[G.Patton]

I added 2ml of 96% acid to 10ml acetone,

HeartburnIt's okay. No, I mean that you have to prepare 10% solution from 96% acid with acetone, sorry for unclear explanation.