Oh, and I for one would LOVE it if you guys could add technical info on the video, especially the size of the video file. When downloading on Tor, it's not visible, so I never know how long it will take.
This is a really good video! A definite improvement over the last one. I do sort of miss a part where you're steam distilling or vacuum distilling the freebase though. Also, no recrystallisation of the final product is shown. But other than that: brilliant, as always!
Also, I wonder about the technique of adding the RM to the amalgam: you mention two separate dumps in the video, and use a one-neck flask which means deattaching and reattaching the condenser. How about adding the RM in small portions over an extended period of time through a second neck, possibly with a third neck for a thermometer? Wouldn't that make it easier to retain temperature control in the beginning of the reaction? Or is it necessary to add a larger portion of the RM to get the reaction going?
So after the reaction and seperating from the algam you have freebase a oil?
If i will put on good PH and destilate it with steam example than i got clear a oil?
Crude amphetamine free base have to be distilled with a high vacuum and oil bath in order to obtain pure free base. Also, amphetamine free base can be steam distilled.
I've made this process with the quantities indicated on the video and the reaction does not work (once the P2NP reaction is added to the amalgam, it does not react violentlly and the aluminium is not melted).
Checking the video in detail, the quantities on the text and the proportios added on the video are clearly not the same. He adds much more product of everything.
Does anybody know the exact and real quantities needed?
Impurities of mercury salts in the product need purification. No need to dissolve p2np twice, add acetic acid and heat once. In a mixture of pure acetic acid and water, the product yield should be higher. The foil can be used a little thicker, so less mercury salts will be needed and the reaction will be calmer. Before alkalizing, it is better to filter the solution and rinse the filter with water.
I've made this process with the quantities indicated on the video and the reaction does not work (once the P2NP reaction is added to the amalgam, it does not react violentlly and the aluminium is not melted).
Checking the video in detail, the quantities on the text and the proportios added on the video are clearly not the same. He adds much more product of everything.
Does anybody know the exact and real quantities needed?
Hi, check the Al amalgam topic and my posts for the same problem, it might solved this for you. I have used Glacial acetic acid instead of water with the IPA.
It doesn`t really matter, if you don`t have the dry salt, eg. make Hg(II)NO3 from nitroc acid and mercury, then you end up with a water solution of the salt and you can use this solution to prepare the amalgam. It takes a bit of calculation to estimate the right amount based on the Hg you have used and the final volume of the solution. I never tried to evaporate the water and get dry salt and it worked just fine.
You do not have an absolute solution of isopropyl alcohol, but a mixture of isopropyl alcohol with water, there is enough mercury there, make a qualitative reaction for mercury salts.
What is the yield of 120 percent? the theory is a maximum of 100 percent, you have impurity salts there, because alkali is poorly soluble in isopropyl alcohol, but alkali dissolves well in your isopropyl alcohol in which there is a lot of water (mercury salts as a gift).
Best is to do an acid-base extraction or steam distill your base. Mercury salts are not soluble in IPA, but it needs to be dry. Also. if you`re inexperienced, when doing an acid base make absolutely sure your solvents are dry. You can lose a lot of your product.
Another option is to evaporate the IPA+water after synthesis, and when you have the pure oil, then wash it a few times with distilled water, this will also get rid of any remaining mercury salt. Evaporation must be done under vacuum, otherwise you get some other poisonous oxidized product (colour red is a telling sign). You can go up to 100 degree under vacuum, then switch off the heat, remove the flask from heat, but leave the vacuum on until it cools at least to room temperature!!!
Best is to do an acid-base extraction or steam distill your base. Mercury salts are not soluble in IPA, but it needs to be dry. Also. if you`re inexperienced, when doing an acid base make absolutely sure your solvents are dry. You can lose a lot of your product.
Another option is to evaporate the IPA+water after synthesis, and when you have the pure oil, then wash it a few times with distilled water, this will also get rid of any remaining mercury salt. Evaporation must be done under vacuum, otherwise you get some other poisonous oxidized product (colour red is a telling sign). You can go up to 100 degree under vacuum, then switch off the heat, remove the flask from heat, but leave the vacuum on until it cools at least to room temperature!!!
And why are you answering me? I am well aware of all the options and nuances, it's the user's germinmeth problem, not mine.
Steam distillation is a very long, acid-base purification of the loss of substance.
The correct way to clean it is free base vacuum distillation, only then you will get a completely clear oil without any impurities, of course fractional distillation.
I will add in amephtamine obtained on amalgam in acetic acid, there is always an admixture of acetylamphetamine (not to be confused with amphetamine acetate). The data were established by gas-phase chromatography.
I will add in amephtamine obtained on amalgam in acetic acid, there is always an admixture of acetylamphetamine (not to be confused with amphetamine acetate). The data were established by gas-phase chromatography.
And why are you answering me? I am well aware of all the options and nuances, it's the user's germinmeth problem, not mine.
Steam distillation is a very long, acid-base purification of the loss of substance.
The correct way to clean it is free base vacuum distillation, only then you will get a completely clear oil without any impurities, of course fractional distillation.
Hi, sorry I have probably overlooked, but the most important is to get the information out there, and discuss. I don`t mind at all if I`m wrong. I haven`t tried vacuum distillation for purification yet, you probably need a very strong vacuum not to damage the product, at least this is why I have never attempted it. My strongest pump distills water at aroun 50C just to give you an idea of the strength, I call it medium strength.
Steam distillation: you are right, it does take ages, still trying to find ways to improve it, let me know if you have a good way of generating steam, perhaps some steamer machines?
Acid-base: yes, losses are inevitable, can be reduced by being very careful about dryness. On the other hand it is the easiest and fastest.
If your synthesis comes out quite clean and you just want to make sure there is no mercury salt which is by far the biggest danger, then washing the oil (dissolved in some apolar solvent) with water a couple of times is enough I think (at least to avoid mercury).
Hi, sorry I have probably overlooked, but the most important is to get the information out there, and discuss. I don`t mind at all if I`m wrong. I haven`t tried vacuum distillation for purification yet, you probably need a very strong vacuum not to damage the product, at least this is why I have never attempted it. My strongest pump distills water at aroun 50C just to give you an idea of the strength, I call it medium strength.
Steam distillation: you are right, it does take ages, still trying to find ways to improve it, let me know if you have a good way of generating steam, perhaps some steamer machines?
Acid-base: yes, losses are inevitable, can be reduced by being very careful about dryness. On the other hand it is the easiest and fastest.
If your synthesis comes out quite clean and you just want to make sure there is no mercury salt which is by far the biggest danger, then washing the oil (dissolved in some apolar solvent) with water a couple of times is enough I think (at least to avoid mercury).
The free base is relatively stable, no problem overshooting at 100-150 degrees, depending on what kind of vacuum you have. I used around 0.1 mm Hg and everything was fine, be sure to put a boiling stone for even boiling and use only round-bottomed flasks (otherwise it may explode)
I've made this process with the quantities indicated on the video and the reaction does not work (once the P2NP reaction is added to the amalgam, it does not react violentlly and the aluminium is not melted).
Checking the video in detail, the quantities on the text and the proportios added on the video are clearly not the same. He adds much more product of everything.
Does anybody know the exact and real quantities needed?
GAA should be 2:1 with water not 1:1 |for example 100g GAA + 50g water| IPA should be 10:1 with P2NP for example 500g IPA with 50g P2NP| AL. FOIL should be 1.6:1 with P2NP for example 160g AL foil with 100g P2NP| .... I think (not sure) the guy in the video is using 30g P2NP that means 300g IPA 150g water 300g GAA 50g AL. foil.
GAA should be 2:1 with water not 1:1 |for example 100g GAA + 50g water| IPA should be 10:1 with P2NP for example 500g IPA with 50g P2NP| AL. FOIL should be 1.6:1 with P2NP for example 160g AL foil with 100g P2NP| .... I think (not sure) the guy in the video is using 30g P2NP that means 300g IPA 150g water 300g GAA 50g AL. foil.
BTW I usually mix GAA with water before and then just combine P2NP solution with IPA with GAA water mix but the person making video is obviously better chemist than me.
Hello. I saw in the video that this procedure is suitable for MDA also but i find it really hard ! The Al looks shinny but it does't react with acetic acid not even if heated . Could somebody offer some advice here?
Hello. I saw in the video that this procedure is suitable for MDA also but i find it really hard ! The Al looks shinny but it does't react with acetic acid not even if heated . Could somebody offer some advice here?
GAA should be 2:1 with water not 1:1 |for example 100g GAA + 50g water| IPA should be 10:1 with P2NP for example 500g IPA with 50g P2NP| AL. FOIL should be 1.6:1 with P2NP for example 160g AL foil with 100g P2NP| .... I think (not sure) the guy in the video is using 30g P2NP that means 300g IPA 150g water 300g GAA 50g AL. foil.
The main conditions for the reaction, water should be enough for all aluminum - this is a source of hydrogen, acid should be enough for the formation of aluminum salts, amine salts and a slight excess of acid - this will additionally mix the reaction towards the formation of an amine, and not intermediate products, alcohol as a p2np solvent. about 80 percent of the yield is obtained with pure p2np, the correct foil and amalgam
The main conditions for the reaction, water should be enough for all aluminum - this is a source of hydrogen, acid should be enough for the formation of aluminum salts, amine salts and a slight excess of acid - this will additionally mix the reaction towards the formation of an amine, and not intermediate products, alcohol as a p2np solvent. about 80 percent of the yield is obtained with pure p2np, the correct foil and amalgam
According to your proportion curve, which you could not bring to a common denominator, you do not understand everything in this reaction. Please write a typical reaction and the amount of substances, it is very interesting to see =)
PS. You can do it 100 times wrong, repeating the reaction does not mean understanding, I think you will agree with me.
According to your proportion curve, which you could not bring to a common denominator, you do not understand everything in this reaction. Please write a typical reaction and the amount of substances, it is very interesting to see =)
PS. You can do it 100 times wrong, repeating the reaction does not mean understanding, I think you will agree with me.
I can send you sample and guarantee you won't be able to say your name properly after a line or two. Last one was 20g P2NP 200g IPA 200g GAA 100g water 32g al/hg 30-40 minute nonstop swirling and cooling if needed then 1 hour reflux on 100Celsius layers seperate immediately after stop heat. Top layer is good stuff bottom layer is aluminium and acetic garbage decant and dump it has almost 0% amphetamine in it basify good stuff with 1:1 150g NaOH with 150 water decant top layer (gold colour) put in fridge for hour filtrate through real filter paper get clear oil. Other part of good stuff extract x2 DCM 80 ML combine 2 extracts filter again through real fitler paper then combine gold colour with DCM extracts . After combining dry over dry MgSO4, filter again. Then carefully adjust pH=6 with 1:5 98% sulfuric acid dry IPA or Acetone (or 1:10 no problem) mix it should turn milk colour put in jar with cap on after adjusting pH. Put in freezer for 8-10 hours then filter again with real filter paper of buchner funnel if you have one yield 70-80%. If you want you can basify mother liquor and try to get unreacted P2NP out of there. (Did it once don't remember exactly how). Stronger GAA needed because if it's weak it wont melt Al/Hg. 70% is best 100% too much stink too violent.
I can send you sample and guarantee you won't be able to say your name properly after a line or two. Last one was 20g P2NP 200g IPA 200g GAA 100g water 32g al/hg 30-40 minute nonstop swirling and cooling if needed then 1 hour reflux on 100Celsius layers seperate immediately after stop heat. Top layer is good stuff bottom layer is aluminium and acetic garbage decant and dump it has almost 0% amphetamine in it basify good stuff with 1:1 150g NaOH with 150 water decant top layer (gold colour) put in fridge for hour filtrate through real filter paper get clear oil. Other part of good stuff extract x2 DCM 80 ML combine 2 extracts filter again through real fitler paper then combine gold colour with DCM extracts . After combining dry over dry MgSO4, filter again. Then carefully adjust pH=6 with 1:5 98% sulfuric acid dry IPA or Acetone (or 1:10 no problem) mix it should turn milk colour put in jar with cap on after adjusting pH. Put in freezer for 8-10 hours then filter again with real filter paper of buchner funnel if you have one yield 70-80%. If you want you can basify mother liquor and try to get unreacted P2NP out of there. (Did it once don't remember exactly how). Stronger GAA needed because if it's weak it wont melt Al/Hg. 70% is best 100% too much stink too violent.
In total, you use 0.1227 moles of p2np, 1.185 moles of aluminum, 3.5 moles of acetic acid, 5.55 moles of water.
You forgot the most important points to indicate, the amount of mercury salt and the thickness of aluminum. There is more aluminum than acetic acid (if we assume that we get aluminum acetate, although in fact there is a mixture of different hydroxy aluminum acetates), plus acetic acid is needed for the formation of amine acetate and some reserve for mixing the reaction towards the amine. Water is needed based on the reaction with aluminum 3.6 mol plus some reserve to dissolve the amine acetate.
A large and useless excess of aluminum in the reaction.
Boiling the reaction to 100 degrees is apparently what you are doing to get more n-acetylamfitamine acetate? )))
You do not process aluminum sludge, your business, there is an amine there.
Further, regarding the isolation of the amine salt, you directly get the amine salt from a mixture of alcohol and dichloromethane (drying will not save you much), there is no cleaning, that is, you get sodium sulfate impurities in some amount and one hundred percent of the microimpurity of mercury salts (the cumulative effect is not who has not canceled for mercury salts). do not believe me make a quality mercury reaction.
And of course you end up with the standard error of using sulfuric acid in a mixture of acetone to get a dirtier product with more impurities.
Then tell us how to isolate back the unreacted p2np))) or maybe all the same p2p is an impurity there?
Total your synthesis is very weak.
You can argue with me, it will be funny)
In total, you use 0.1227 moles of p2np, 1.185 moles of aluminum, 3.5 moles of acetic acid, 5.55 moles of water.
You forgot the most important points to indicate, the amount of mercury salt and the thickness of aluminum. There is more aluminum than acetic acid (if we assume that we get aluminum acetate, although in fact there is a mixture of different hydroxy aluminum acetates), plus acetic acid is needed for the formation of amine acetate and some reserve for mixing the reaction towards the amine. Water is needed based on the reaction with aluminum 3.6 mol plus some reserve to dissolve the amine acetate.
A large and useless excess of aluminum in the reaction.
Boiling the reaction to 100 degrees is apparently what you are doing to get more n-acetylamfitamine acetate? )))
You do not process aluminum sludge, your business, there is an amine there.
Further, regarding the isolation of the amine salt, you directly get the amine salt from a mixture of alcohol and dichloromethane (drying will not save you much), there is no cleaning, that is, you get sodium sulfate impurities in some amount and one hundred percent of the microimpurity of mercury salts (the cumulative effect is not who has not canceled for mercury salts). do not believe me make a quality mercury reaction.
And of course you end up with the standard error of using sulfuric acid in a mixture of acetone to get a dirtier product with more impurities.
Then tell us how to isolate back the unreacted p2np))) or maybe all the same p2p is an impurity there?
Total your synthesis is very weak.
You can argue with me, it will be funny)
I DO NOT ARGUE!!!!! I WILL SAY IT AGAIN I WILL SEND YOU SAMPLE IF YOU WANT I'M NOT GYPSY!!! I'm just sharing my experience and helping the man solve his amalgamation/melting problem. Ok I see you have good chemistry education (moles to moles has always been my weakness please suggest better proportions then but It's my personal opinion that 1:1 GAA with water is weak ). Of cource better use thick foil never said I use cooking foil with stamps lol. I amalgamate using mercury nitrate that's what we have here it works good for me atleast. I do not basify the sludge because it STINKS BAD BAD BAD and on top of that it probably has less than 10% amine just not worth for me (weak equipment high priced NaOH etc.). If you have done this reaction and got good product and good yield obviously please share this is what this forum is for. P2NP bringing back I just remember basifying something but I was high as a kite that's when my memory just disappears. Thank you please don't consider this as a confrontation.
I DO NOT ARGUE!!!!! I WILL SAY IT AGAIN I WILL SEND YOU SAMPLE IF YOU WANT I'M NOT GYPSY!!! I'm just sharing my experience and helping the man solve his amalgamation/melting problem. Ok I see you have good chemistry education (moles to moles has always been my weakness please suggest better proportions then but It's my personal opinion that 1:1 GAA with water is weak ). Of cource better use thick foil never said I use cooking foil with stamps lol. I amalgamate using mercury nitrate that's what we have here it works good for me atleast. I do not basify the sludge because it STINKS BAD BAD BAD and on top of that it probably has less than 10% amine just not worth for me (weak equipment high priced NaOH etc.). If you have done this reaction and got good product and good yield obviously please share this is what this forum is for. P2NP bringing back I just remember basifying something but I was high as a kite that's when my memory just disappears. Thank you please don't consider this as a confrontation.
Why alkalize aluminum salts? this is a waste of time and lye. Wash the amine acetate off the aluminum salts with water.
When using mercury nitrate (2), there is a surprise in the form of hydrolysis of this salt in neutral/alkaline solutions.
At the end of the reaction, there is no p2np left, unless of course it fell out like bricks due to poor solubility in your mixture of vinegar / alcohol / water.
The user whom I helped to increase the yield of the substance on this reaction should publish his version of the reaction one of these days
Hello. I saw in the video that this procedure is suitable for MDA also but i find it really hard ! The Al looks shinny but it does't react with acetic acid not even if heated . Could somebody offer some advice here?
If you want to make MDA, then you need to start from MDP2P just like when MDMA is made. You will still have to aminate your keton, which means you have to use some kind of Amine source (using methylamine woud give MDMA), so I guess perhaps hydroxylamine + lye added to the reaction mixture and during the reduction the amine is added as well. I have never tried this though.
The pitfalls for beginners are the following:
- thickness of the Alu foil - too thin, and your amalgamation can be too violent - the amalgam can easily consume all your aluminium, unless you choose the absolutely right time. I have compared 10X10 pieces of the foils and chose the heaviest. A thick foil gives you much more time and less margin of error, but it cannot be too thick either because then your reaction will take ages.
- overcooling the reaction (e.g. washing requires some exerience, so in the beginning I would just drain off the water and then add your P2NP/GAA/IPA). I have noticed that in the reaction the GAA is replaced by water, and GAA is only added at the last minute, but I haven`t noticed much of a difference.
- deciding when the amalgam is ready - look for 3 signs: 1. There is bubbling 2. All the aluminium starts floating 3. There is also a sizzling sound if you listen carefully (problaly the H2 gas being generated).
And I think the title is wrong as there is no amination when you reduce P2NP, it already has the Nitrogen, this is why it is called P2NP. I have noticed that in a similar manner, they mention that reducing P2P would yield MDA - which is not true, I think, because this way you would not get an amine, you would just reduce your ketone to phenyl-propane
And I think the title is wrong as there is no amination when you reduce P2NP, it already has the Nitrogen, this is why it is called P2NP. I have noticed that in a similar manner, they mention that reducing P2P would yield MDA - which is not true, I think, because this way you would not get an amine, you would just reduce your ketone to phenyl-propane
He uses mdp2pn for reduction on amalgam, the output is 3,4-methyleneoxyamphetamine MDA (reduction of double bond and nitro group in an acidic medium), if he used MDP2P with methylamine, there is still a completely different reaction (reduction of imine). But in his reaction, the big question is the quality of 3,4-MDP2PN, he used a huge amount of Henry's condensation catalyst, there are also fears that he mixed in the wrong order. There are also big questions about his method of reduction on amalgam.
And why are you answering me? I am well aware of all the options and nuances, it's the user's germinmeth problem, not mine.
Steam distillation is a very long, acid-base purification of the loss of substance.
The correct way to clean it is free base vacuum distillation, only then you will get a completely clear oil without any impurities, of course fractional distillation.
Please man,your both damn good experts.maby some one else has got something that he can use from your combined reviews.respect on both of ure input.its a lot of help for nubes.thanks both okay
Suppose we have weighed the amounts that were written in the video, but the question is that he did not mention how much ether we will add to extract the remaining oil in the melted aluminum solution.
Was hier nicht erwähnt wird das zu der Menge p2np noch 80% ephedrin dazugefügt werden muss weil sämtliche amphetamine ephedrin benötigen da p2np keine aufpuschende Wirkung hat und nur zur Herstellung eines zwischen Produktes geeignet ist das weiß doch wohl jeder Anfänger wenn man das ephedrin nicht dabei macht hat man nur Placebo pepp was zwar nach amphetamin riecht aber keine Wirkung hat und das ist 100%die Wahrheit und wenn der beitrag gelöscht wird ist das lachhaft.
Ephedrin wird bei der Herstellung sämtlicher Amphetamine verwendet, da es eine wichtige Vorläufersubstanz ist. Hier sind einige Informationen, die ich gefunden habe:
Ephedrin ist eine chemische Verbindung, die als Sympathomimetikum (Stimulans) wirkt.
Es ist ein Hauptbestandteil bei der Synthese von Amphetaminen, einschließlich Methamphetamin.
Ephedrin dient als Ausgangsstoff für die Herstellung von Amphetaminen und verwandten Verbindungen.
Es wird in verschiedenen Verfahren zur Synthese von Amphetaminen aus Derivaten von Phenylpropanolaminen eingesetzt.
Die genauen Details und Verfahren zur Herstellung von Amphetaminen aus Ephedrin können in Patenten und wissenschaftlichen Artikeln gefunden werden
View P2NP - 2 Synthesen.docx from DRUGS 5 at School of Advance Business and Commerce, Faisalabad. P2NP Synthese P2NP ist eine der wichtigsten Vorstufen wenn es um Drogen geht. Methamphetamin,
Die vorliegende Erfindung betrifft ein Verfahren zur Herstellung von Ethylaminen, Butylaminen und gemischten Ethyl/Butylaminen mit den folgenden Schritten: Hydroaminierung von Butadien und Ethylen mit einem Monoalkylamin und/oder einem Dialkylamin mit Alkyl = Ethyl und/oder Butyl in Anwesenheit...
Verfahren zur Herstellung von 2,2-Difluorethylamin, dadurch gekennzeichnet dass 1,1 -Difluor-2-nitroethan einer katalytischen Hydrierung unterworfen wird, wobei der in der katalytischen Hydrierung eingesetzte Katalysator ein oder mehrere Metalle ausgewählt unter Eisen, Ruthenium, Osmium, Kobalt...
patents.google.com
Letzter link auch als nitroethan bekannt
Und jetzt sag mir wie soll das p2np eine Wachmachende Eigenschaft besitzen soll mit den Ausgangsstoffen
Man benötigt unbedingt zu der Menge zu dem p2np 80%ephedrin das p2np dient nur zum Aufbau der molekularenstrukturkette um aus dem ephedrin ein amphetamin zu konfigurieren!!!!
I want to ask about it!
Regarding the feasibility and correctness of this approach.
I have tried the process in the video and here is how I did it. I don’t know why the final output is not the same as the quantity in the video.
First use IPA 100ml+H2O 50ml+P2NP 10g. After heating and dissolving, let it cool until crystals appear.
Prepare 12g aluminum flakes + 2g HgCL2 (because I can’t get the mercury nitrate and can only use mercury chloride to make aluminum amalgam), put it in a flask and react for about 30 to 40 minutes, and connect the condenser tube
The cooled and crystallized P2NP is easily added to 50ml of glacial acetic acid and heated to dissolve.
Remove the gray dirty water from the aluminum flakes and wash them twice with pure water
Then add the P2NP solution into the aluminum flask (at this time there will be a large amount of reaction and the temperature will rise rapidly. Use a cold bath to cool down the temperature and shake the flask regularly during the process). The reaction process is about 30~40 minutes.
Take out the solution from the flask and there will be a gray liquid and a small amount of aluminum flakes
Previously prepared 50g NaOH+70ml H2O solution, add the sodium hydroxide solution to the gray liquid to bring the liquid pH to 11
Reaction takes about 30 minutes
A yellow liquid will appear. Take out this liquid (the gray substance is not extracted) and put it in the refrigerator for 1 hour.
After cooling, add this light yellow liquid to IPA 1:1 and stir
Add concentrated sulfuric acid and drop in a small amount. At this time, white objects will appear, making the liquid appear milky white with sediment.
Bring pH to 5.5
After refrigerating the liquid for 24 hours, filter and dry the white product (is the product at this time correct? And the final P2P required)
For this part, my final product is only about 1~2g, which doesn’t seem right.
I've tried hard to find the answer but I still haven't gotten the right idea. Could you please give me some correct guidance?
What factors affect the yield (the final product in the video seems to be far more than the number of my experiments)
I welcome people who have succeeded with this method and the yield is about 70~80% to guide me.
please
I want to ask about it!
Regarding the feasibility and correctness of this approach.
I have tried the process in the video and here is how I did it. I don’t know why the final output is not the same as the quantity in the video.
First use IPA 100ml+H2O 50ml+P2NP 10g. After heating and dissolving, let it cool until crystals appear.
Prepare 12g aluminum flakes + 2g HgCL2 (because I can’t get the mercury nitrate and can only use mercury chloride to make aluminum amalgam), put it in a flask and react for about 30 to 40 minutes, and connect the condenser tube
The cooled and crystallized P2NP is easily added to 50ml of glacial acetic acid and heated to dissolve.
Remove the gray dirty water from the aluminum flakes and wash them twice with pure water
Then add the P2NP solution into the aluminum flask (at this time there will be a large amount of reaction and the temperature will rise rapidly. Use a cold bath to cool down the temperature and shake the flask regularly during the process). The reaction process is about 30~40 minutes.
Take out the solution from the flask and there will be a gray liquid and a small amount of aluminum flakes
Previously prepared 50g NaOH+70ml H2O solution, add the sodium hydroxide solution to the gray liquid to bring the liquid pH to 11
Reaction takes about 30 minutes
A yellow liquid will appear. Take out this liquid (the gray substance is not extracted) and put it in the refrigerator for 1 hour.
After cooling, add this light yellow liquid to IPA 1:1 and stir
Add concentrated sulfuric acid and drop in a small amount. At this time, white objects will appear, making the liquid appear milky white with sediment.
Bring pH to 5.5
For this part, my final product is only about 1~2g, which doesn’t seem right.
I've tried hard to find the answer but I still haven't gotten the right idea. Could you please give me some correct guidance?
What factors affect the yield (the final product in the video seems to be far more than the number of my experiments)
I welcome people who have succeeded with this method and the yield is about 70~80% to guide me.
please
I want to ask about it!
Regarding the feasibility and correctness of this approach.
I have tried the process in the video and here is how I did it. I don’t know why the final output is not the same as the quantity in the video.
First use IPA 100ml+H2O 50ml+P2NP 10g. After heating and dissolving, let it cool until crystals appear.
Prepare 12g aluminum flakes + 2g HgCL2 (because I can’t get the mercury nitrate and can only use mercury chloride to make aluminum amalgam), put it in a flask and react for about 30 to 40 minutes, and connect the condenser tube
The cooled and crystallized P2NP is easily added to 50ml of glacial acetic acid and heated to dissolve.
Remove the gray dirty water from the aluminum flakes and wash them twice with pure water
Then add the P2NP solution into the aluminum flask (at this time there will be a large amount of reaction and the temperature will rise rapidly. Use a cold bath to cool down the temperature and shake the flask regularly during the process). The reaction process is about 30~40 minutes.
Take out the solution from the flask and there will be a gray liquid and a small amount of aluminum flakes
Previously prepared 50g NaOH+70ml H2O solution, add the sodium hydroxide solution to the gray liquid to bring the liquid pH to 11
Reaction takes about 30 minutes
A yellow liquid will appear. Take out this liquid (the gray substance is not extracted) and put it in the refrigerator for 1 hour.
After cooling, add this light yellow liquid to IPA 1:1 and stir
Add concentrated sulfuric acid and drop in a small amount. At this time, white objects will appear, making the liquid appear milky white with sediment.
Bring pH to 5.5
After refrigerating the liquid for 24 hours, filter and dry the white product (is the product at this time correct? And the final P2P required)
For this part, my final product is only about 1~2g, which doesn’t seem right.
I've tried hard to find the answer but I still haven't gotten the right idea. Could you please give me some correct guidance?
What factors affect the yield (the final product in the video seems to be far more than the number of my experiments)
I welcome people who have succeeded with this method and the yield is about 70~80% to guide me.
please
Fiz esse processo com as quantidades indicadas no vídeo e a reação não funciona (uma vez que a reação P2NP é adicionada ao amálgama, ele não reage violentamente e o alumínio não é derretido).
Verificando o vídeo em detalhes, as quantidades no texto e as proporções adicionadas no vídeo claramente não são as mesmas. Ele adiciona muito mais produto de tudo.
Alguém sabe as quantidades exatas e reais necessárias?
Eu percebi q na reação entre al+hgno3= alno3 e sobrou muito al. Q não reagiu.. Após lavar as duas substâncias são descartadas e o al puro q não reagiu Elle reage com pdnp em solução d ipa com acoh.. Foi uq percebi
Eu percebi q na reação entre al+hgno3= alno3 e sobrou muito al. Q não reagiu.. Após lavar as duas substâncias são descartadas e o al puro q não reagiu Elle reage com pdnp em solução d ipa com acoh.. Foi uq percebi
So does this product burn as an oil residue like a lot of the others do or does it burn a black ash ? I’ve seen this and the powder didn’t turn into oil when applied with heat, it turned into black ash. They did exactly what was done in the video and it looked like it didn’t work imo.
Will this reaction work with methylenedioxyphenylnitropropene, i see it on erowid almost the same as this one and want to know if this process will work as well. Same process just replace p2np with mdp2np?
I can send you sample and guarantee you won't be able to say your name properly after a line or two. Last one was 20g P2NP 200g IPA 200g GAA 100g water 32g al/hg 30-40 minute nonstop swirling and cooling if needed then 1 hour reflux on 100Celsius layers seperate immediately after stop heat. Top layer is good stuff bottom layer is aluminium and acetic garbage decant and dump it has almost 0% amphetamine in it basify good stuff with 1:1 150g NaOH with 150 water decant top layer (gold colour) put in fridge for hour filtrate through real filter paper get clear oil. Other part of good stuff extract x2 DCM 80 ML combine 2 extracts filter again through real fitler paper then combine gold colour with DCM extracts . After combining dry over dry MgSO4, filter again. Then carefully adjust pH=6 with 1:5 98% sulfuric acid dry IPA or Acetone (or 1:10 no problem) mix it should turn milk colour put in jar with cap on after adjusting pH. Put in freezer for 8-10 hours then filter again with real filter paper of buchner funnel if you have one yield 70-80%. If you want you can basify mother liquor and try to get unreacted P2NP out of there. (Did it once don't remember exactly how). Stronger GAA needed because if it's weak it wont melt Al/Hg. 70% is best 100% too much stink too violent.
Hoi, bekijk het Al amalgam topic en mijn posts voor hetzelfde probleem, het zou dit voor je kunnen oplossen. Ik heb Glaciale azijnzuur gebruikt in plaats van water met de IPA.
At the end of the video you state "final yield is 75%". Does that mean from the 100% of weight/ml ypu put in you turned 75% of it into pure amphetamine? So you still got pure amphetamine (95%+?)
Impurities of mercury salts in the product need purification. No need to dissolve p2np twice, add acetic acid and heat once. In a mixture of pure acetic acid and water, the product yield should be higher. The foil can be used a little thicker, so less mercury salts will be needed and the reaction will be calmer. Before alkalizing, it is better to filter the solution and rinse the filter with water.
Hi, check the Al amalgam topic and my posts for the same problem, it might solved this for you. I have used Glacial acetic acid instead of water with the IPA.
just add mercury to the reaction if u arent dissolving mercury.u can make the amalgum as u do the synth. If u do a batch with 10g p2np,50ml acetic acid,100ml ethanol, 50ml h20,50ml or.5g mercury.mix it. Than add 10-20g aluminum 1gram at a time to keep it cooled down,takes longer but works better imo,or add all aluminum and put it on ice.either should work. U dont have to make amalgum seperate,just mix it all together.
just add mercury to the reaction if u arent dissolving mercury.u can make the amalgum as u do the synth. If u do a batch with 10g p2np,50ml acetic acid,100ml ethanol, 50ml h20,50ml or.5g mercury.mix it. Than add 10-20g aluminum 1gram at a time to keep it cooled down,takes longer but works better imo,or add all aluminum and put it on ice.either should work. U dont have to make amalgum seperate,just mix it all together.
you have TRANSLATE aye?? 'Do you think it's okay if I use hgcl2? I think any mercury salt is okay, but I'm not sure. Yes, you can. But mercury nitrate is better
Impurities of mercury salts in the product need purification. No need to dissolve p2np twice, add acetic acid and heat once. In a mixture of pure acetic acid and water, the product yield should be higher. The foil can be used a little thicker, so less mercury salts will be needed and the reaction will be calmer. Before alkalizing, it is better to filter the solution and rinse the filter with water.
If i use 30 gr of p2np instead of 10 gr
should i triple gaa and ipa and water? I try 30 gr p2np in 100 ipa and 50 water and that not work and Everything became very thick
So at the end of process i add hcl acid to ph3 and i evaporate the solvent,it evaps down to an oily residue,looksvery clean,but doesnt turn to crystaly powder. How do i turn this oil to powder ?
So at the end of process i add hcl acid to ph3 and i evaporate the solvent,it evaps down to an oily residue,looksvery clean,but doesnt turn to crystaly powder. How do i turn this oil to powder ?
i fixed it,nvm, add lye solution to neutralize overacidification,seperate layers and pull off water,add acetone to water and evaporate. Leaves crystals of amine hcl. Burns clear. Success with both al and nabh4 synth. Recomend nabh4 more for safer synth and aluminum for yields
You can also combine everything, P2NP, Isopropanol, acetic acid, water, aluminum in the reaction of and then add the mercury. Only you have to wash the Amphetamine free base well with water afterwards
I have tried this this reaction probably 30 times... I have been successful once.... I have studied every bit of info i can on whats going on during it but obviously I'm off somewhere.. If any one can give me a hand on something I'm not doing right I would very much appreciate it. The one time it was successful I got an orange tanish color freebase floating on top ar raw end. The bad ones are usually red or clear.... wtf
One issue with that is depending on what you're using for the Mercury salt I know for sure that HgCl2 is slightly soluble in isopropanol. I think like 4 G per 100 ml. If it is all done in situ there will be some mercury in that isopropenol. Not a ton but it's there. Besides that I'm still having issues getting this reaction to go for some reason. Trying to find someone that really knows it good. I definitely have a ton of experience running the reaction but not with successful results minus maybe one good one out of 30.
Dissolve the mercury in water give it a good stare when Adding that aluminium put small portions in the water for a couple of seconds rinse it good and put it in the reaction pot slow is key
Dissolve the mercury in water give it a good stare when Adding that aluminium put small portions in the water for a couple of seconds rinse it good and put it in the reaction pot slow is key
So instead of doing the amalgam in the pot you gave the p2np and the rest of the stuff in the flask... then amalgam the aluminum in a separate beaker and add...? Questions about doing it that way... how much hgcl2 per 100ml in the beaker? And is the reaction solution a different ratio doing it like that? Let's say you did 2.5g of p2np or 5g? GAA per gram of p2np? Water per gram? Isopropyl per gram? And especially aluminum per gram of p2np? Should the aluminum be prepared at all... cleaned? Before amalgam? I'm having horrible trouble with this one but so close... how fast do you want to get all the aluminum in and how hot should it be run? Left stirring over night? Anything like that? Anything that's not in their video that could cause a failure and what does the aluminum need to look like before saying ok it's ready? I would so appreciate your help. I have run this thing at least 30 times wasting precursor and I am determined lol. I either get a clear solution ar the end... a red one which I believe is hydroxylamine or nitroso. And the one that worked almost had an orange look to it with some red-ish intermediate but it worked very well that one time. Can not replicate.... help . And if I didn't ask how long should it run? Am I looking for anything specific... I do not have ability to tlc at the moment so if I have to push it a little to make sure it's reduced enough so be it.
I can send you sample and guarantee you won't be able to say your name properly after a line or two. Last one was 20g P2NP 200g IPA 200g GAA 100g water 32g al/hg 30-40 minute nonstop swirling and cooling if needed then 1 hour reflux on 100Celsius layers seperate immediately after stop heat. Top layer is good stuff bottom layer is aluminium and acetic garbage decant and dump it has almost 0% amphetamine in it basify good stuff with 1:1 150g NaOH with 150 water decant top layer (gold colour) put in fridge for hour filtrate through real filter paper get clear oil. Other part of good stuff extract x2 DCM 80 ML combine 2 extracts filter again through real fitler paper then combine gold colour with DCM extracts . After combining dry over dry MgSO4, filter again. Then carefully adjust pH=6 with 1:5 98% sulfuric acid dry IPA or Acetone (or 1:10 no problem) mix it should turn milk colour put in jar with cap on after adjusting pH. Put in freezer for 8-10 hours then filter again with real filter paper of buchner funnel if you have one yield 70-80%. If you want you can basify mother liquor and try to get unreacted P2NP out of there. (Did it once don't remember exactly how). Stronger GAA needed because if it's weak it wont melt Al/Hg. 70% is best 100% too much stink too violent.
So instead of doing the amalgam in the pot you gave the p2np and the rest of the stuff in the flask... then amalgam the aluminum in a separate beaker and add...? Questions about doing it that way... how much hgcl2 per 100ml in the beaker? And is the reaction solution a different ratio doing it like that? Let's say you did 2.5g of p2np or 5g? GAA per gram of p2np? Water per gram? Isopropyl per gram? And especially aluminum per gram of p2np? Should the aluminum be prepared at all... cleaned? Before amalgam? I'm having horrible trouble with this one but so close... how fast do you want to get all the aluminum in and how hot should it be run? Left stirring over night? Anything like that? Anything that's not in their video that could cause a failure and what does the aluminum need to look like before saying ok it's ready? I would so appreciate your help. I have run this thing at least 30 times wasting precursor and I am determined lol. I either get a clear solution ar the end... a red one which I believe is hydroxylamine or nitroso. And the one that worked almost had an orange look to it with some red-ish intermediate but it worked very well that one time. Can not replicate.... help . And if I didn't ask how long should it run? Am I looking for anything specific... I do not have ability to tlc at the moment so if I have to push it a little to make sure it's reduced enough so be it.
You’ll need less than 100mg for that size reaction. If you do it on a small scale you minus the original by 10 if you wanna do it on a large scale, you multiply everything by 10.
prepare your aluminium and put it to one side get your beaker add 500ml water and 100mg HgCI stir let’s say you have 10g aluminium take 2g soak in the water solution filled with HgCI until it turns slightly cloudy then rinse under cold water then put into your reaction vessel with the P2NP IPA ect swirl it constantly you add more aluminium when the reaction starts to die down,once all aluminium has dissolved 10g that’s when you separate it
The mistake I made off dumping 10 g of aluminium into reaction vessel caused a volcano then I thought it would be a good idea to stick everything in one pot and add 300mg HgCI witch lead to the exact same result then I figured out by putting small portions of aluminium in the reaction flask to keep temperatures down and good stir Give me better results. Just don’t let the reaction die down.
everybody has their own way of doing these things. This is just my way.
You’ll need less than 100mg for that size reaction. If you do it on a small scale you minus the original by 10 if you wanna do it on a large scale, you multiply everything by 10.
prepare your aluminium and put it to one side get your beaker add 500ml water and 100mg HgCI stir let’s say you have 10g aluminium take 2g soak in the water solution filled with HgCI until it turns slightly cloudy then rinse under cold water then put into your reaction vessel with the P2NP IPA ect swirl it constantly you add more aluminium when the reaction starts to die down,once all aluminium has dissolved 10g that’s when you separate it
The mistake I made off dumping 10 g of aluminium into reaction vessel caused a volcano then I thought it would be a good idea to stick everything in one pot and add 300mg HgCI witch lead to the exact same result then I figured out by putting small portions of aluminium in the reaction flask to keep temperatures down and good stir Give me better results. Just don’t let the reaction die down.
everybody has their own way of doing these things. This is just my way.
I just get weird results. The substrate can be recrystallized three or four times making sure it's as pure as possible and one run will come out completely red and I know that's a dud some kind of intermediate or one will come out Orange LOL but I know that's a good one preferably all that color or tan would be better and fully reacted. I guess the best question would be per gram of substrate in this case p2np how much aluminum is needed to fully react per gram of that substrate. I have used the amounts on this video 10 G and 12 G of aluminum and divided from there to maybe 5 G and six of aluminum but it just seems unreacted. I think I am using too much hgcl2 and letting the aluminum amalgam too long. The most reactive one I have ever done I used a small amount of Mercury 2 and that one was hard to hold back without ice. But it still failed just red and I crashed it out with sulfuric acid just a check.
You’ll need less than 100mg for that size reaction. If you do it on a small scale you minus the original by 10 if you wanna do it on a large scale, you multiply everything by 10.
prepare your aluminium and put it to one side get your beaker add 500ml water and 100mg HgCI stir let’s say you have 10g aluminium take 2g soak in the water solution filled with HgCI until it turns slightly cloudy then rinse under cold water then put into your reaction vessel with the P2NP IPA ect swirl it constantly you add more aluminium when the reaction starts to die down,once all aluminium has dissolved 10g that’s when you separate it
The mistake I made off dumping 10 g of aluminium into reaction vessel caused a volcano then I thought it would be a good idea to stick everything in one pot and add 300mg HgCI witch lead to the exact same result then I figured out by putting small portions of aluminium in the reaction flask to keep temperatures down and good stir Give me better results. Just don’t let the reaction die down.
everybody has their own way of doing these things. This is just my way.
I ran another one.... this time it turned very dark almost black the end... and very thick using the adjusted volume of stuff for a small run. If I get the temperature below 60c the reaction stops? Not sure why mine wants a higher temp to run and it seems like I have to constantly swirl the flask because all the aluminum tries to float up on top immediately over and over. Also I think my issues are when yo call the amalgam good and ready... what's a good indicator beside color? Someone told me all the aluminum should float to the top?
I will try it the way you sent me. I have all available ingredients for that minus The Ether but I do have hexane and DCM on hand. Could you think of any reason not to use DCM minus extracting from the bottom? I'm just thinking all the aluminum particles or would hexane be better to pull from the top
I will try it the way you sent me. I have all available ingredients for that minus The Ether but I do have hexane and DCM on hand. Could you think of any reason not to use DCM minus extracting from the bottom? I'm just thinking all the aluminum particles or would hexane be better to pull from the top
I ran another one.... this time it turned very dark almost black the end... and very thick using the adjusted volume of stuff for a small run. If I get the temperature below 60c the reaction stops? Not sure why mine wants a higher temp to run and it seems like I have to constantly swirl the flask because all the aluminum tries to float up on top immediately over and over. Also I think my issues are when yo call the amalgam good and ready... what's a good indicator beside color? Someone told me all the aluminum should float to the top?
Speaking of amount of aluminum. Is the ratio that they're using good to go in all cases like 10 G of substrate to 12 G of aluminum so then if you're doing five G 6 G of aluminum should cover that correct? Or does the ratio change as you go bigger or smaller?
Speaking of amount of aluminum. Is the ratio that they're using good to go in all cases like 10 G of substrate to 12 G of aluminum so then if you're doing five G 6 G of aluminum should cover that correct? Or does the ratio change as you go bigger or smaller?
Follow it how the PDF states then once you get comfortable and managed to successfully synthesise amph then you can make your own adjustments for better yields
Postępuj zgodnie z instrukcją w formacie PDF, a gdy już poczujesz się pewnie i uda ci się zsyntetyzować amph, możesz wprowadzić własne zmiany, aby uzyskać lepsze plony.
Ephedrin wird bei der Herstellung sämtlicher Amphetamine verwendet, da es eine wichtige Vorläufersubstanz ist. Hier sind einige Informationen, die ich gefunden habe:
Ephedrin ist eine chemische Verbindung, die als Sympathomimetikum (Stimulans) wirkt.
Es ist ein Hauptbestandteil bei der Synthese von Amphetaminen, einschließlich Methamphetamin.
Ephedrin dient als Ausgangsstoff für die Herstellung von Amphetaminen und verwandten Verbindungen.
Es wird in verschiedenen Verfahren zur Synthese von Amphetaminen aus Derivaten von Phenylpropanolaminen eingesetzt.
Die genauen Details und Verfahren zur Herstellung von Amphetaminen aus Ephedrin können in Patenten und wissenschaftlichen Artikeln gefunden werden
