Amfetaminsyntes i en kruka från P2NP med NaBH4/CuCl2 (skala 1 kg)

[SelfExper1menter]

Hej allihopa. Jag försökte göra lite amfetamin med detta recept i liten skala, men misslyckades. Allt verkade ok, efter torkning såg min produkt ut som vitt pulver med en rödhet. Om det var amfetaminsulfat (som jag försökte göra) skulle avkastningen vara 84%. Problemet är att det inte är amfetamin.

Fysiologiska effekter
Jag försökte 20-30 mg, det fanns definitivt stimulering, men det orsakade också feber och tydligen en minskning av immuniteten: båda gångerna jag tog det flera dagar i rad blev jag sjuk med luftvägsinfektioner (första gången trodde jag att det var en tillfällighet). En annan person som tog det upplevde inte någon stimulering från upp till 90 mg, bara lite muntorrhet. Ingen av oss har någon tolerans mot stimulantia.

Kemisk testning
1 g av pulvret löses helt upp i 10 ml H2O.
När jag tillsatte överskott av NaOH-lösning till en uppmätt massa av pulvret i ett provrör fick jag en ungefär rätt volym freebase som luktade ammoniak. Jag separerade freebase-skiktet, torkade det med CaCl2 och försökte titrera det med syra. Som ett resultat mätte jag molmassan för freebasen till cirka 171 (och för amfetamin är den 135). Även om mina mätningar inte var särskilt exakta är skillnaden ändå för stor för att kunna förklaras enbart av mätfel.

Mina avvikelser från proceduren
1) När jag tillsatte P2NP insåg jag att det skulle ta timmar, så jag blev otålig och nedsänkte reaktionskolven i ett rumstempererat vattenbad. Efter det kunde jag lägga till P2NP nästan allt på en gång, och blandningens temperatur översteg inte 40-50 ° С.
2) Jag följde videon, så jag avdunstade inte IPA och tillsatte konk. svavelsyra till IPA / freebase-skiktet direkt.
3) Jag hade ingen aceton för tillfället, så jag lade inte till det innan jag surgjorde och jag tvättade den filtrerade "amfetaminsulfat" -pasta med IPA.
4) IPA är mindre flyktig än aceton, så jag var tvungen att sätta min fällning i en ugn i flera timmar för att torka den till konstant vikt. Temperaturen i ugnen översteg inte 80 ° С.

Så den stora frågan är, var gick det fel? Jag skulle inte bli förvånad över lågt utbyte eller ingen produkt alls, men att få ett bra utbyte av en amin som inte är amfetamin?!

 

[OrgUnikum]

The method as described here lacks all product workup/cleanup and and as such provides a very dirty and unclean Amphetamine, in special as NasBH4 reductions are all not giving very clean product. Purple MDMA and such.
I know the physiological effects like fever like very well and it is just the missing cleaning trust me.
There are several ways to do the workup, from distillation, normal, vacuum or steam of the base or dissolving the sulfate in water and washing this several times with toluene or petrolether or my favorite: 50/50 mix of petrol ether and Ethylacetate. Then evaporate the water and wash the resulting salt with copious amounts of Acetone and petrol ether as last. Already the simple washings give you a consumable product which does not make you sick like the crap which contains borate salts or else.

 

[w2x3f5]

CaCl2 kan inte användas med amin
1.i det första steget reduceras nitropropen till nitropropan
2.fick föroreningar av olika salter i sammansättningen av amfetaminpasta

 

[GhostChemist]

Chemical testing
The acid concentration must be precisely known (titration with standart solution of NaOH).
In the titrimetric analysis the concentration must be used only in equivalent concentration or normality or molality.
If one reagent is a weak acid or base and the other is a strong acid or base, the titration curve is irregular and the pH shifts less with small additions of titrant near the equivalence point. Indicators such as Methyl red or Litmus should give more accurate results
This method cannot be applied in this implementation

 

[aaduo04]

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16-stegsförfarande för framställning av fenyletylamin från 30 g p2np

Beredning av lösningsmedel:
Blanda isopropylalkohol (IPA) och vatten i förhållandet 2:1. Se till att det finns tillräckligt med lösningsmedel för hela reaktionen (cirka 100-150 ml rekommenderas)

Vägning av natriumborhydrid (NaBH4):
Väg upp ca 6-7 g NaBH4 (detta motsvarar ca 0,15-0,18 mol, vilket är tillräckligt för att reducera 0,15 mol p2np, ca 30 g).

Lös upp NaBH4:
Lös upp NaBH4 i den kalla IPA/H2O-lösningsmedelsblandningen. Förvara lösningen vid 0-5°C i ett isbad för att förhindra snabb nedbrytning.

Tillsats av p2np:
Tillsätt långsamt 30 g p2np till NaBH4-lösningen under kontinuerlig omrörning. Blandningens färg kommer gradvis att ändras från gult till en ljusare nyans.

Omrörning och temperaturövervakning:
Reaktionsblandningen omrördes ytterligare under 1-2 timmar samtidigt som temperaturen hölls vid 0-5°C för att säkerställa fullständig reduktion av nitrogruppen till aminen.

Tillsats av koppar(II)klorid (CuCl2) (valfritt):
Tillsätt 0,5-1 g CuCl2 som katalysator och rör om i ytterligare 30-60 minuter vid 0-5°C. CuCl2 hjälper till att katalysera reduktionen, vilket påskyndar reaktionen och förbättrar produktens renhet.

Tillsats av 25 % NaOH-lösning:
Tillsätt långsamt 25 % NaOH-lösning så att pH-värdet blir cirka 9. Detta neutraliserar eventuella sura biprodukter och hjälper till att frigöra fenyletylamin.

Slutförande av reaktionen:
Låt blandningen röra om i ytterligare 30 minuter vid rumstemperatur (20-25 °C) för att säkerställa att reaktionen är fullständig.

Syrning med 98% svavelsyra (H2SO4):
Tillsätt försiktigt 98% svavelsyra tills pH sjunker under 2. Detta steg hjälper till att omvandla fenyletylamin till dess saltform i vattenfasen medan föroreningar kvarstår i den organiska fasen.

Extraktion av den organiska fasen:
Separera den organiska fasen och vattenfasen. Den organiska fasen innehåller biprodukter, medan den vattenhaltiga fasen innehåller fenyletylaminsaltet.

Basifiering för att extrahera fenyletylamin:
Öka pH till 10-12 med hjälp av 25% NaOH-lösning. Detta kommer att frigöra fenyletylamin till sin fria aminform.

Extraktion med organiskt lösningsmedel:
Extrahera fenyletylaminet i ett organiskt lösningsmedel, såsom dietyleter eller kloroform.

Tvättning av den organiska fasen:
Tvätta den organiska fasen med destillerat vatten för att avlägsna eventuell kvarvarande alkali och biprodukter.

Indunstning av lösningsmedlet:
Indunsta det organiska lösningsmedlet med hjälp av en roterande indunstare eller under vakuum vid 30-40°C.

Kristallisering:
Kristallisera den råa fenyletylamin med kall aceton för att rena produkten.

Torkning och lagring:
Torka fenyletylaminkristallerna under vakuum eller i en torkugn och förvara dem sedan på rätt sätt.

Viktiga potentiella fel och deras konsekvenser:
Felaktig temperaturkontroll:
Om lösningen överhettas under tillsatsen av NaBH4 kan reduktionsmedlet brytas ned snabbt, vilket leder till ett lägre utbyte.

Snabb tillsats av reagens:
Om p2np eller NaOH tillsätts för snabbt kan det orsaka en exoterm reaktion, vilket leder till att oönskade biprodukter bildas.

Felaktig pH-kontroll:
Om rätt pH-värde inte upprätthålls kan det leda till att oönskade biprodukter bildas, t.ex. delvis reducerade föreningar.
Överdriven omrörning eller felaktig hantering:
Överdriven omrörning kan orsaka oxidation, vilket resulterar i oönskade nitro- eller nitroso-föreningar.
Kontaminerade reagenser eller kontaminerad utrustning:
Användning av förorenade reagenser eller utrustning kan medföra föroreningar som leder till biprodukter, som kan se ut som den önskade produkten men ha andra kemiska egenskaper.
Idealiska temperaturer för varje steg:
Tillsats av NaBH4 och inledande reaktion: 0-5°C
Tillsats av p2np och omrörning: 0-5°C
Slutförande av reaktionen: 20-25°C
Syrning med svavelsyra: Rumstemperatur (20-25°C)
Indunstning av lösningsmedel: 30-40°C
Kristallisering: -5-0°C
Sammanfattning:
Genom att noggrant följa ovanstående steg och upprätthålla korrekt temperatur, pH och renlighetsförhållanden säkerställs en framgångsrik produktion av fenyletylamin, vilket undviker bildandet av oönskade biprodukter som kan ha olika kemiska egenskaper men verkar lika.

 

[waltjr5858]

6 to 7 G of borohydride is not reducing 30 G of p2np all the way to the amine and the copper on top of it. There's a reason why a large excess is used and it's mainly before the first part where p2np is added to the borohydride.

 

[Ironbender]

I tried this synthesis on a small scale.
It failed completely. In the end I didn't even receive A-Oil.

This was my path:

p2np 10g

IPA/H2O (1:2) IPA 120ml/H2O 60ml (180ml)

NaBH4 17.4g

CuSO4.5H2O 7.9g in 20ml H2O

NaOH 25.6g in 80ml H2O

First water and then IPA were filled into the flask at room temperature and stirred.

NaBH4 was completely filled into the flask and stirred overhead.

p2np was added over a period of 30 min.
The temperature did not rise above 45 degrees.

When all P2NP was in the flask I increased the temperature to 55-58 degrees and refluxed for 40 minutes.

Then CuSO4.5H2O
dropped into the flask. Black copper immediately formed
Somehow the temperature didn't increase.

The RM was heated in a water bath to 78-80 degrees for 30 minutes.

The flask was left at room temperature for 1 hour.

There were 2 layers in the flask, black copper at the bottom. 'Amber cloudy at the top.

There was something slightly yellow in between that couldn't be dissolved.

Then 80 ml of 25% NaOH was added to the RM and a dark amber layer became visible.

It didn't smell like amphetamine base,
it smelled very flowery.
Nothing reminiscent of Amphetamine Oil.

Can someone explain what was wrong?
I followed the small scale instructions from this thread

p2np was from BM-chemistry
and looks very clean and bright.
It can't fail because of that.

I'm sorry for the bad English, hope you understand what I want to say.

 

[waltjr5858]

I know what you mean by the flowery smell but I can't tell you what it is. I have had that exact failure. Even using cucl2. The copper didn't cause your failure... it's something else.

 

[waltjr5858]

But I do know that no matter what amounts are used as long as you either scale down or scale up preferably from the original video that is up on this site there is a caption that comes up during the video that says you should add the p2np over the course of 6 hours. The only time this reaction has really worked good for me with very strong effects at the end except was still dirty and needed proper cleaning but it worked. Normal stuff water alcohol and borohydride all together and then I took whatever I was using at that time for the substrate p2np and divided it by 24. Whatever that equaled that's how much I added every 15 minutes until it was gone which was 6 hours. I noticed on the last addition that there was no reaction from the nabh4 fornsome reason? Guess I used it all up possibly so I added a half a gram of borohydride just in case. Waited 5 minutes and started dripping the proper amount of cucl2 in. When doing smaller reactions it's really hard to tell if you have added copper until the black particulate stops forming because the flask is small to begin with and the whole damn thing turns black. So as according to the video they used 25 or 26 G to 250 g of p2np so I did a 10 G reaction and it was somewhere around a gram or a little over of copper so I just dripped the entire thing in. Once I was done adding I just cranked the heat until I hit 80c and waited about 35 minutes and allowed it to cool to room temperature and it worked perfect minus being completely contaminated with some kind of Borate.. once I noticed that I just redesolved and acidified to a pH of 3 gave it a wash with nonpolar and then refreebased and gave it a little water wash. Dried it and re-added acid to crash out... it is a finicky reaction and definitely not as easy as most people put it there has to be some kind of trick as to the temperature you put your copper in the reaction or how long to let it react before adding the copper or something there's a trick to make it consistent because I can definitely tell you the aluminum Mercury reaction is very inconsistent even worse than this one

 

[Tamishea]

Hello everyone. Im finished my first synthesis but i dont know that i do everything properly, when cooper black showed at the bottom i leaved everything at 75c and then after 30 min refluxing without Boiling because of temp 75c i have filtered thru coffee filter, and not leaved to room temperature and just added then 25% naoh. The layers are separated but the oil smells only IPA. And react with h2so4 but everything is green and pH Get down to 1,3. Should i take the temperature higher to 80 when black cooper is at the bottom and wait that smell from ipa is gone (evaporating with or without reflux condenser?) then leave to Room temperature AND THEN FIRST BASIFY WITH 25% NAOH? Please help

 

[GhostChemist]

``Should i take the temperature higher to 80 when black cooper`` - No, temperature before 80C or low (this stage more applied for big scale synth and help to evaporate IPA), as a variant for small scale synth 30-50 min at temperature 40-60C

 

[Tamishea]

When i give whole CUCL2 we say at 60c one hour long, then should it smells normally then? Because my synthesis give me yellowish oil but with STRONG smell from ipa and when i give sulfuric Acid it becomes greenish.

The scale was
300ipa 150 dh20
43,5 nabh4
25g p2np
2,375 cucl2*h20

 

[William D.]

I think these are the remains of reaction products. To avoid this, it is better to dilute the reaction mixture with water and extract for example with ethylacetate. After extraction, rinse the organic layer several times with water and acidify. Then there will be no excess color or burning when using.

 

[waltjr5858]

Absolutely. Something green? Either left over from condensation or which I still would not know what that would be or there is copper in the IPA. I have had copper in a certain form get either through the filter or whatever it got in there and it did turn slightly greenish bluish just like it is before when you make it up. This reaction to me is just hit or miss. It's definitely novel and I have had many many failures. Now p2np to P2P and then leuckart has always produced every single time. I still occasionally play around with the borohydride but it can be a pain in the ass. Or I have just tossed it in with LiAlH4 and called it a day. Hopefully that might give the person before that is having issues with the borohydride reduction to try something else they're still having problems instead of wasting precursor. Unless they have a bunch of it then who cares.

 

[mile123]

Hello!

When preforming vacuum distilation of ipa (step 8) , what vacuum pump to pick, if it is rated 10 000mbar and I need only 60mbar, is it possible to regulate it or I should buy rotary vacuum pump rated to 100mbar.


I found out that best range for ipa evaporation is 50-100mbar which is considered low vacuum, did anybody have experiences or suggestions with this problem?

 

[William D.]

Do not forget about productivity in liters. It may be that you use a powerful pump and it will destroy your filter. But a high vacuum can be used. 60mbar is more than enough for filtering.

 

[waltjr5858]

You will actually be surprised you do not need a very powerful pump and determining what suction you are running at is a pain in the ass. I actually have a very good vacuum gauge that I hook directly up to my system and test boiling temperatures of known substances and it's still a little all over the place. I think the best thing you can do is steam distillation If the product allows because it does come over nice and clean and then just dry it with potassium carbonate and you are in business. Definitely do not buy a rotary vein vacuum pump because I have destroyed probably five of those things. They are very powerful and I can boil water below room temperature easily but without inexpensive setup I do not have a way to regulate vacuum pressure. If you crack open a small leak on purpose to lower the pressure what that causes is air now flowing through the system instead of sitting at a vacuum which causes your product to go right into a trap or right into the vacuum pump and gone. Any kind of oil that can be steam distilled is absolutely worth the time it takes. If you definitely need vacuum they sell some on Amazon and they are called diaphragm pumps I believe and require no oil so there's no way for you to contaminate the vacuum pump when you do distillation. Just pump away and they definitely go low enough to let's say take a 200° C boiling temp and get it close to just a little over 100 so plenty low enough and definitely worth it over the rotary vein. I think they cost just a tiny bit extra nothing crazy. That was probably the best purchase I ever made as a vacuum pump after blowing up five of the other ones

 

[mile123]

Thank you for answer. You have a lot of practice and you confirmed my every doubt about vacuum distillation and provided more information than I could find on whole forum.

I also agree that rotary vein vacuum pumps aren't suitable since you have vapors, even with cold trap, it is cheaper to buy diaphragm pump.

I researched a lot about controlling vacuum, measuring pressure, but I think it isn't so important as maintaining right temperatures during process. In my head it seemed important.
My idea is to take fridge compressor from junkyard 600w, 20l/min and convert it into vacuum pump, then just test the theory, can I turn it on, and leave it running or reach maximum vacuum and then turn it off and see how it goes and how long it will last. I also hope that I don't need to do overhead stirring while vacuuming, but even if I have, I will get batch chemical reactor with everything on it for vacuum distillation and whole process.

I believe you about steam distillation, but I want to stick with vacuum distillation since large chemical reactors (200L) are designed to work well under vacuum and I don't have strength to do in depth research about steam distillation.

I will try and let you know the results, I may preform simple distillation just for start, to test final product.

 

[mile123]

I'm not sure if you saw this video , A Vacuum Distillation Unit, where he also didn't really care about boiling points and pressures, he just turned it on until process is done, there is also vacuum depth controlling tap but I believe it doesn't make difference in terms of control?

 

[William D.]

Vacuum diaphragm pump with PTFE membrane. I think the best for our tasks.

 

[mile123]

Yes, I agree with you, those pumps are worth of investment since you can apply them on large chemical reactors as well.

I just want to wait before purchase to see if I can carry whole process even with simple distillation.

 

[mile123]

One more question, has anyone tried this venturi water ejector, it works by putting pressure and ability to create vacuum and transfer liquids or gasses.