4′-Methylpropiophenone bromination to 2-bromo-4'-methylpropiophenone. Large scale.

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The proportion in the video:

4-Methylpropiophenone (250g)
Hydrobromic acid 48% (191ml/285g)
Hydrogen peroxide 37% (103ml/116g)

The ratio here:
  • 4′-Methylpropiophenone (cas 5337-93-9) 1000 g;
  • Hydrobromic acid 48% aq. 1140 g or 765 ml;
  • Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) 35% 328 g or 290 ml;

The dosage of hydrogen peroxide varies,How much hydrogen peroxide should I add?
 

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Based on experience, it’s best to use an excess of hydrobromic acid (approximately 1:1 by volume to the ketone). You add peroxide until the in situ generated bromine reacts. The exact amount may vary depending on the temperature conditions and degradation rate. This is better than creating ideal conditions, as you can control the reaction visually.
 

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That's not what I asked.

can be used Erlenmeyer Flask 5000 ml for this synthesize​

 

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It’s better to use a round-bottom flask or a flat-bottom flask to minimize the evaporation of bromine vapor from the reaction mixture. An Erlenmeyer flask is for other tasks, but if you don’t have another flask, you can use that.
 

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I would like to ask,After 12 h precipitate is formed.Sodium bicarbonate aq solution is added to the reaction mixture to reach neutral pH 6-7, stir it well.What concentration of sodium bicarbonate solution should I use?
Or add water first and then slowly add sodium bicarbonate to make the pH value of the flushing water solution reach 6-7
 

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To clean acidic crystals, a 1% to 2% sodium bicarbonate aqueous solution can usually be used. The concentration of sodium bicarbonate can also be adjusted according to the specific situation of the acidic crystals. For example, highly acidic crystals may require a more concentrated sodium bicarbonate solution.
Specifically:
Generally acidic crystals: 1% to 2% sodium bicarbonate aqueous solution is a more commonly used concentration, which can effectively neutralize the acidity and avoid damaging the crystals.
Highly acidic crystals: The concentration of sodium bicarbonate can be appropriately increased, such as 3% or 4% solution.
Special cases: If the crystals are also sensitive to weak alkaline solutions, consider using a lower sodium bicarbonate concentration, or use other weak alkaline solutions.
Other precautions:
Solubility:
Sodium bicarbonate has limited solubility in water. Generally speaking, a concentration of 1% to 2% is already relatively easy to dissolve.
Operation:
When cleaning, you can first immerse the crystals in a sodium bicarbonate aqueous solution, and then gently wipe them with a soft brush or cotton cloth.
Rinse:
After washing, you need to rinse with pure water to remove the residual sodium bicarbonate solution.
In general, it is a common and safe practice to use 1% to 2% sodium bicarbonate aqueous solution to clean acid crystals. If you encounter special circumstances, you need to adjust the concentration according to the specific situation.

Can I follow this method?
 

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fuckk man just made some 2b4m today and this shit is hell of a irritant (My carelessness for trying to air drying before reading the safety sheet) but dude my lab now reeks of this and after 9 hours there is still mild irritation to eyes and skin when entering into lab.

And for some reason yields are moderate not as high as texts say, although this was my first time doing this so i did mess up somewhere for now its probably the addition of H2O2 i think i stopped bit too early believing that most of the ketone is brominated and further bromine is not being consumed.
 

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u need to treat the room with a dilute solution of sulfuric acid, and you should do this several times, also using household cleaning agents. I understand what you’re talking about, and these lachrymatory properties will persist until you break down the particles remaining in your room. It can evaporate for a very long time if these substances are not forcibly degraded.
 

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Thanks I did proper cleanup with household cleaning agents and it still took a week toh completely get back to normal next time I'll be much more careful
 
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Hey,
In case I won't manage to find HBr 48% - will the following method work?
4'-methylpropiophenone in the flask together with NaBr or KBr salt and diluted H2SO4(aq), then add dropwise 35% H2O2 in order to create Br2 in situ which will react with 4'-mp, creating the desired 2b4m.

I will obviously adjust the quantities of the salt/acid/H2O2 in order to achieve equivalent moles of Br2 compared to your guide (maybe with a slight excess even).

What do you think of this method?
 

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If you are considering such routes, I would suggest using bromination in ethyl acetate with copper bromide under heating.
 

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I see many people asking questions about how much HBr and H2O2 to add, why the solution turns red even though not all of the H2O2 has been added, etc. After reading several publications and conducting several tests, I will try to provide a clear answer to these questions.

Troubleshooting :

- How much HBr should be added?

Between 1eq and 1.2eq is fine. Anything above that is pointless. Personally, I find 1eq to be perfect.

- How much H2O2 should be added?

This was the most debated part. According to publications and reaction equations, it seems that at least 1eq is needed, sometimes 3, etc. In reality, 0.5eq is sufficient in theory. This is why your solution sometimes turns red even though you haven't added everything yet, because here we use 0.76eq of H2O2, which is a small excess. Moreover, after numerous tests, I determined that this was indeed a well-chosen excess, and that adding more would not change anything, and would only risk contaminating your product with Br2 and forming the dibrominated product if the temperature exceeded 65°C.
I therefore advise you to stick with this amount of H2O2 to add (0.76eq). In addition, 12% H2O2 works very well for this method, but can sometimes cause the product to crystallize more quickly, leading to the stirrer becoming blocked.

- What temperature is required for the reaction?

The ideal temperature is between 30°C and 40°C. Do not go higher than 65°C! I strongly advise you to use a water bath when adding H2O2, as the reaction is very exothermic, and if not controlled, it will produce Br2 vapor everywhere and result in an impure product (usually orange and green), which still works for the animation, but gives a lower yield.

- Why is my RM orange/red and won't change color?

When enough H2O2 has been added, the RM will no longer change color because it will be saturated with Br2. Heating and adding more HBr will therefore have no effect. However, this does not necessarily mean that the reaction is complete, as sometimes the Br2 just takes longer to react towards the end of the reaction. In this case, I recommend stopping the addition of H2O2 and leaving the RM for an hour with stirring. Keep the setup in a cold water bath because sometimes the reaction can suddenly restart! After waiting an hour, I recommend adding the remaining H2O2 if the RM is no longer red, otherwise the reaction is complete.

- What should I do if I have added all the H2O2 and my RM is colorless?
This means that you haven't added enough H2O2, so keep adding it. Perhaps your H2O2 is less concentrated than before because it degrades over time.

- The mixture hasn't solidified:

It happens, you can add a 2b4m crystal seed if you have one, otherwise you can just wait or use a technique that works every time: put everything in the freezer. Once everything has solidified, leave it aside until the water has turned back into liquid and your product has crystallized.

- The product has crystallized, but I haven't finished adding H2O2:
The problem with this is that when it crystallizes, the product often blocks stirring. If this happens, stop adding H2O2, filter the product, recover the liquid, and continue adding H2O2. In general, I consider the reaction to be complete after adding all the H2O2 and waiting a few hours for everything to react. You don't necessarily have to wait 12 hours.

- My product is slightly yellow/orange:
This happens with traces of Br2. Basically, I recommend that you always wash your product with a NaHCO3 solution, then with plenty of water. Even if your product is orange/yellow, you can proceed with the animation. Personally, I like to add a few crystals of sodium thiosulfate to my washing solutions to make my product white by neutralizing the remaining Br2. However, this will produce a little sulfur, so it's up to you to decide.
 
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I used 1000 g of 4'-methylpropiophenone
1140 g 48% hydrobromic acid (HBr)
400g 37% hydrogen peroxide
I added 1000 grams of 4'-methylpropiophenone and 1140 grams of 48% hydrobromic acid (HBr), and then after five minutes I started stirring.
Reaction temperature 60-65℃
When 380 grams of hydrogen peroxide is added, the reaction mixture will take 10 minutes to turn white.
After the reaction is complete, add 50 g of sodium bicarbonate, stir for 10 minutes, filter, and then rinse with pure water.
The final product is white with a little yellow,And it's damp and clumpy.
 

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1.Does the reaction time need to be 12 hours?

2.After the reaction is complete, is it necessary to wash with a sodium bicarbonate aqueous solution of what percentage?

3.What could be the reason why the final product cannot be dried?
 

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- Not necessarily. As I said in my post, if it precipitates, filter and continue stirring. If other products precipitate, refilter. In general, one hour after the first precipitation, everything has precipitated.

- This may be a good idea to neutralize the last traces of HBr. You can wash with a 5% solution, for example; the concentration does not matter.

- The final product can be dried, why do you say otherwise? Personally, I go straight to the animation to avoid the tear gas effect.
 

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1000 g of 4'-methylpropiophenone,How many grams are needed,48% hydrobromic acid (HBr)
 

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Try to learn this kind of thing before doing chemistry: here's a link :


1. 4'-Methylpropiophenone 1000 g is added into a flask.
2. Hydrobromic (HBr) acid 1140 g or 765 ml 48% is poured into the flask and stirred for 5 min.
3. Hydrogen peroxide 35% 328 g or 290 ml is added into a drip funnel 1 L

It's on the first page of this post, try searching before asking questions.
 

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Is an indoor temperature of 10℃ too low? What should I do?
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I used 1000 g of 4'-methylpropiophenone
1140 g 48% hydrobromic acid (HBr)
380g 37% hydrogen peroxide
After adding all the hydrogen peroxide, I cooled it in a 30°C water bath, and crystals quickly appeared.
3.
Is it necessary to stir for 12 hours after adding all the hydrogen peroxide?
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After adding all the hydrogen peroxide, if crystals appear, do I need to stir for several more hours?
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What temperature (°C) is needed in the room during the reaction? My room temperature is 10°C.
 

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My indoor temperature is 10℃
Crystals immediately appeared when I tried to cool it down
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with a water bath. What should I do?

Then it turned into the picture.

Even after stirring for 12 hours, it's still like this.

Finally, after rinsing and filtering it twice with purified water, it turned into a damp powder.
 

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Set your water bath to 25°C so that your Rm is at 25°C. If you managed to get 2b4m at 10°C, then there is no need to heat your Rm, and it will work at 10°C. You ended up with a white powder, so that's perfect. I don't understand what the problem is
 
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