Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Hello,

How can I be sure that I have cleaned all the mercury residues in the amalgamation process??

What other product can be used to reduce sulfuric acid??
other than acetone, to avoid such a strong smell...

XiaoyanAs long as there is enough aluminium your mercury salts will get eaten up by it, turning into metallic mercury and making an alloy with the Al.Now rinsing will get rid of residual water soluble salts and solvent extraction will ensure minimal contamination (Neither metallic mercury or salts are soluble in water too well).These extracts are dried with drying agent, further driving water and it's contaminants away.If you still feel iffy after these steps you can go ahead and steam distill.
If you mean to dillute sulphuric acid you can use IPA.

 

[Xiaoyan]

As long as there is enough aluminium your mercury salts will get eaten up by it, turning into metallic mercury and making an alloy with the Al.Now rinsing will get rid of residual water soluble salts and solvent extraction will ensure minimal contamination (Neither metallic mercury or salts are soluble in water too well).These extracts are dried with drying agent, further driving water and it's contaminants away.If you still feel iffy after these steps you can go ahead and steam distill.
If you mean to dillute sulphuric acid you can use IPA.

UWe9o12jkied91dTo clean aluminum, what I do is rinse it several times with distilled water, but it keeps coming out dirty gray, does that mean it's contaminated? or why is this happening?

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

To clean aluminum, what I do is rinse it several times with distilled water, but it keeps coming out dirty gray, does that mean it's contaminated? or why is this happening?

XiaoyanThat is just fine alumina coming off the pieces of aluminium.

 

[nkd23]

Is it possible to cock at home (not more then 10g P2NP)
Should you use a gass mask? ( because of the hg)

 

[Pavel]

Is it possible to cock at home (not more then 10g P2NP)
Should you use a gass mask? ( because of the hg)

nkd231. good ventilation
1. Eye protection
2. face protection
2. hand protection
3. gas mask -??? ok! - you know what type of filter need to use??
hg is poisoning but please think Your grandma possible broke couple of hg thermometer....
MAIN PROBLEM is eat hg not smell, do not touch face, especially lips, eye, do not eat or drink before wash. be careful when go toilet

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

That's the reasen I asked

I don't wanna poisen me or an other

The filter for the mask is for hg and all the bad stuff

Tub out of the window is a good idea

Can I put the tube from the condenser in an beaker with liquid that binds or neutralize the hg/mercury vapors?


And what are you doing with the waste for example the amalgamation (water rinses)?

nkd23I know for sure germany has collection for free of chemical waste, maybe you have it too.

 

[nkd23]

Yes in at it could be too.
But I hope they don't ask and don't monitor.
I have to try it with something ordernary

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Yes in at it could be too.
But I hope they don't ask and don't monitor.
I have to try it with something ordernary

nkd23just say your process metals or something

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Yes in at it could be too.
But I hope they don't ask and don't monitor.
I have to try it with something ordernary

nkd23Also you can treat the wastewater with sodium hydroxide, then sulphur to make it flushable, but I'm not 100% on the details , maybe procedure is different, ask an expert.

 

[Costa]

Hi, some questions

1.- I have Mercury Chloride instead of Mercury (II) nitrate. Do I have to use 0,1g Mercury Chloride (HgCl2)?
2.- I have Acetic Acid 80%, so I used 62,5 ml. Is this OK?
3.- I prepared the sulphuric acid solution in IPA? Is OK? or must be Acetone?

Thanks

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Hi, some questions

1.- I have Mercury Chloride instead of Mercury (II) nitrate. Do I have to use 0,1g Mercury Chloride (HgCl2)?
2.- I have Acetic Acid 80%, so I used 62,5 ml. Is this OK?
3.- I prepared the sulphuric acid solution in IPA? Is OK? or must be Acetone?

Thanks

CostaAs long as it's mercuric and not mercurous chloride yes, same.Maybe little more, maybe less, dosent matter so much.
You can do this reaction in only IPA and water, so yes
Yes, its fine, acetone is better, but yes

 

[Costa]

As long as it's mercuric and not mercurous chloride yes, same.Maybe little more, maybe less, dosent matter so much.
You can do this reaction in only IPA and water, so yes
Yes, its fine, acetone is better, but yes

UWe9o12jkied91dThanks so much for your quick reply!

 

[Skinny_Pete_]

Hello, I've read almost all the comments, I know i can use HgCl2 instead of Hg(NO3)2
But, can someone that tried using it, tell me how much HgCl2 i have to use for 10g of P2NP. Someone said it doesn't matter a lot... But I want to be sure i use the optimal quantity.
Also, the most concentrated Sulphuric Acid I can find in the forum listings, it says min95% will this concentration work.
So if thouse 5% in the acid is water content will this spoil the salt falling.

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Hello, I've read almost all the comments, I know i can use HgCl2 instead of Hg(NO3)2
But, can someone that tried using it, tell me how much HgCl2 i have to use for 10g of P2NP. Someone said it doesn't matter a lot... But I want to be sure i use the optimal quantity.
Also, the most concentrated Sulphuric Acid I can find in the forum listings, it says min95% will this concentration work.
So if thouse 5% in the acid is water content will this spoil the salt falling.

Skinny_Pete_I always just try to be in the range of 0,1g/10-12g of Al, a little more is better than a little less in this case.A good indicator is your aluminium floating to the top, if some time has passed and there is still aluminium on the bottom add a dash more, swirl well, give it a minute or two and drain.But this rarley happens to me, 0,1g is perfect most of the time.I used chloride, oxide, acetate, nitrate all amalgamated well with 0,1g.

It is a conflict of interest for me to answer the second question but I will anyway.If your organic extract is well dry (30-1h MgSO4 siccum) you shouldn't even notice the difference between 95 and 98 sol. If by any means you are using an acid with less conc. it helps to put your mass in the freezer to reduce solubility a bit and filter cold preferably on vacuum.

 

[Skinny_Pete_]

I always just try to be in the range of 0,1g/10-12g of Al, a little more is better than a little less in this case.A good indicator is your aluminium floating to the top, if some time has passed and there is still aluminium on the bottom add a dash more, swirl well, give it a minute or two and drain.But this rarley happens to me, 0,1g is perfect most of the time.I used chloride, oxide, acetate, nitrate all amalgamated well with 0,1g.

It is a conflict of interest for me to answer the second question but I will anyway.If your organic extract is well dry (30-1h MgSO4 siccum) you shouldn't even notice the difference between 95 and 98 sol. If by any means you are using an acid with less conc. it helps to put your mass in the freezer to reduce solubility a bit and filter cold preferably on vacuum.

UWe9o12jkied91dThanks for the useful info.
In the video captions it says 1:30 MgSO4 to extract, does that means 1part per weight for every 30 parts of extract, or this means something else ?
How can i tell if my MgSO4 is anhydrous, they sell it in the pharmacy, but did u know if this one is anhydrous ?
Will it dry faster if i use a lot or there is limit ?

When the extract is mixed 1:1 with IPA can i still dulite the acid with some IPA aswell to avoid the eventual excess of acid ?

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Thanks for the useful info.
In the video captions it says 1:30 MgSO4 to extract, does that means 1part per weight for every 30 parts of extract, or this means something else ?
How can i tell if my MgSO4 is anhydrous, they sell it in the pharmacy, but did u know if this one is anhydrous ?
Will it dry faster if i use a lot or there is limit ?

When the extract is mixed 1:1 with IPA can i still dulite the acid with some IPA aswell to avoid the eventual excess of acid ?

Skinny_Pete_Maybe extract is not the right term, unless you mean extracting the water, but anyways.It’s a good reference to follow (1:30) until you get a sense for it, I just add by eye, putting in about a finger or two on the bottom (discounting the voids).More drying agent can be used and they can help with very wet solution if you have a visible water layer you should add more, if the sol. is simply turbid you add less.If you’ve added some and don’t see a clearing of the sol. add a bit more.Not too much as it may arrest some of your organic material, use common sense.
The one in the pharmacy is heptahydrate, meaning there’s 7 molecules of water for every 1 of sulphate.You can test the water content by performing a calcination.1-2 hour at 100 C, 4 hours at 500 C , 4h at 1000C, weigh before and after and the difference is the water.Ofcourse this is to analytical standard, you can blast it at 300 C in a conventional oven to get simillar results.
Yes, it is a good idea to use dillute sulphuric acid. You might have local over-acidification with conc.
Keep in mind after drying try a drop or two, see how it precipitates, you may not need dillution.If it precipitates well you can try adding some cold ipa after reaching the right pH, see if more crashes out, if yes keep adding, if no toss that sucker in the freezer and give it a few hours.You will be able to decant most of your solvent with minimal loss and the product filtration will be quick and easy.

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Hello, I've read almost all the comments, I know i can use HgCl2 instead of Hg(NO3)2
But, can someone that tried using it, tell me how much HgCl2 i have to use for 10g of P2NP. Someone said it doesn't matter a lot... But I want to be sure i use the optimal quantity.
Also, the most concentrated Sulphuric Acid I can find in the forum listings, it says min95% will this concentration work.
So if thouse 5% in the acid is water content will this spoil the salt falling.

Skinny_Pete_Oh and it helps to prepare your solution for precipitation and basification beforehand and park them in the freezer, This helps improve yield under less than ideal conditions.

 

[Jcjchh]

what if i don't use a vacuum source?

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

what if i don't use a vacuum source?

JcjchhWhat of it? You can do this 100% without vaccum.

 

[Xiaoyan]

Hello,
I have a question about laboratory equipment,

Apart from borosilicate glass, what other types of materials can be used as reactor?
Would it affect the quality of the synthesis?

What equipment is recommended to synthesize 500 P2NP g.??

Thank you

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Hello,
I have a question about laboratory equipment,

Apart from borosilicate glass, what other types of materials can be used as reactor?
Would it affect the quality of the synthesis?

What equipment is recommended to synthesize 500 P2NP g.??

Thank you

XiaoyanPP. HDPE or even metal if you apply a protective PTFE coating to the whole interior surface.
Barrel in barrel, so you can cool and heat. Large condenser made from pipe in pipe.Hole for condenser, hole for teflon overhead stirring adapter (Or a large cement mixing drill hooked up to a regulator).Your aluminium needs to be thicker than sub 50-100g reactions, much thicker or else it will go out the condenser.The limit is 100g is said, but I am fairly convinced you can scale up a lot more.There is 1 person here that I know of that does 1kg reactions with this method and by what he says it takes "hours" to amalgamate and aluminium sheet is used.

 

[Xiaoyan]

PP. HDPE or even metal if you apply a protective PTFE coating to the whole interior surface.
Barrel in barrel, so you can cool and heat. Large condenser made from pipe in pipe.Hole for condenser, hole for teflon overhead stirring adapter (Or a large cement mixing drill hooked up to a regulator).Your aluminium needs to be thicker than sub 50-100g reactions, much thicker or else it will go out the condenser.The limit is 100g is said, but I am fairly convinced you can scale up a lot more.There is 1 person here that I know of that does 1kg reactions with this method and by what he says it takes "hours" to amalgamate and aluminium sheet is used.

UWe9o12jkied91dThank you so much!!

I am ussing a 5L glass flask to synthetize aprx 30-40g...
But i want to try some bigger..

I would like to do my own "DIY" eqipment to scale up the reaction.

I thought about using an empty 25/50-L bottle of those intended to contain chemical products.

Is it a good idea?
The quality of the synthesis would be affected using plastic equipmen???

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Any recommendations on the thickness of the aluminum that I should use and how to make the amalgam with that
aluminum?
Should I cut it to some size?

XiaoyanI worked well with 0.25mm-3mm "sheet" ,I say in quotes because its bendable by hand easily. I cut into small sizes and do 1-2 sec blitz in coffee grinde/blender just for a bit of surface area

 

[Xiaoyan]

I worked well with 0.25mm-3mm "sheet" ,I say in quotes because its bendable by hand easily. I cut into small sizes and do 1-2 sec blitz in coffee grinde/blender just for a bit of surface area

UWe9o12jkied91d3mm aluminum, for what amount of p2np is it recommended?
Does it grind well with a coffee grinder?