MDMA synthesis from piperonylmethylketone (PMK/MDP2P) with formic acid

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Even more. But I'd rather edit the proportions depending on how much PMK you do. For a large and small scale, the proportions may differ, in addition, there are a couple more features, such as the water content of solvents. If you have all the reagents, I am ready to help in PM, you can publish the results here, if you want
 

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u can also try to find a methylammonium formate (dry), but not sure if it's available now.
 

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Good day to you first and formost
formic acid + ammonium carbonate ( ammonium formate )
Can that be reacted with methanol for the desired methylammonium formate?
 

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How much is the yield of that synth finally?
Thanks.
 

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awesome thank you. I would want to do 90-100g pmk. I do not have the reagents yet , i am waiting on other ones for amphetamine sulfate then i will get onto the reagents needed for this. I will let you know, and i will document both synths and post here for everyone.
 

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first time i will do the synth size as above to get a better understanding/experience , but then i would want to do 10x .
 

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If we get a yield of salt 1g per 1g oil, this is a good result, but rather less.
Yes, it catalyzes the process.
Write me in PM when you are ready
 

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please bro.. kindly post here the results and the proccedure... i want to try this method as well, but since there are not much clear info would be freat if you can help us.
 

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Did you try this?
Can you share some results? I’m deciding which way to go, but there’s too little info…
Thanks!
 

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Can someone explain me the instrucion 5 and 6? Can Somenone explain with more details?
 

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5. After the volume of the organic solvent was decreased, the remaining residue was treated with hydrogen chloride gas to yield a gelatinous brown precipitate of impure MDMA hydrochloride.

Organic solvents can mostly be evaporated by low heating. It means you reduce the volume of the remaining solution by gentle heating. When you're left with something like half the original volume, you set up a HCl gas generator. This is done by dripping concentrated sulphuric acid onto table salt and passing the fumes that are produced (dry HCl gas) via a tube into the solution to bubble. You can find a detailed description of how to construct a HCl gas generator under "laboratory techniques" on this forum.
Once the HCl gas bubbles into the solution, a brown gel is formed: this is the product. Once no more goo is being formed when you bubble gas into the solution, the reaction is finished and you can filter out the brown goo.

6. The crude salt, dissolved in boiling methanol, was added to chill acetone to form a crystalline product.

The "crude salt" is the brown goo. Pour it into some boiling methanol under stirring. When all is dissolved, let chill down for a bit and then pour the mix into ice cold acetone. NOW you'll get the nice MDMA crystals.
 

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Also, before you pour everything into ice cold acetone, make sure it's well below 50 degrees C. Acetone boils at 56 degrees, and if you dump a boiling hot solution into it ...
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could you please explain me more about the cilled acetone? would not be enough put the goo in saturated solution solvent, the wait to cristalize?
tnx!
 
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